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    Majority OF Eastern Germans Believe life was better under Communism
    San Francisco Sentinel
    BY JULIA BORNSTEIN
    http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=33597

    Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an “illegitimate state.” In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR.

    The life of Birger, a native of the state of Mecklenburg-West Pomerania in northeastern Germany, could read as an all-German success story. The Berlin Wall came down when he was 10. After graduating from high school, he studied economics and business administration in Hamburg, lived in India and South Africa, and eventually got a job with a company in the western German city of Duisburg. Today Birger, 30, is planning a sailing trip in the Mediterranean. He isn’t using his real name for this story, because he doesn’t want it to be associated with the former East Germany, which he sees as “a label with negative connotations.”

    And yet Birger is sitting in a Hamburg cafe, defending the former communist country. “Most East German citizens had a nice life,” he says. “I certainly don’t think that it’s better here.” By “here,” he means reunified Germany, which he subjects to questionable comparisons. “In the past there was the Stasi, and today (German Interior Minister Wolfgang) Schäuble — or the GEZ (the fee collection center of Germany’s public broadcasting institutions) — are collecting information about us.” In Birger’s opinion, there is no fundamental difference between dictatorship and freedom. “The people who live on the poverty line today also lack the freedom to travel.”

    Birger is by no means an uneducated young man. He is aware of the spying and repression that went on in the former East Germany, and, as he says, it was “not a good thing that people couldn’t leave the country and many were oppressed.” He is no fan of what he characterizes as contemptible nostalgia for the former East Germany. “I haven’t erected a shrine to Spreewald pickles in my house,” he says, referring to a snack that was part of a the East German identity. Nevertheless, he is quick to argue with those who would criticize the place his parents called home: “You can’t say that the GDR was an illegitimate state, and that everything is fine today.”

    As an apologist for the former East German dictatorship, the young Mecklenburg native shares a majority view of people from eastern Germany. Today, 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, 57 percent, or an absolute majority, of eastern Germans defend the former East Germany. “The GDR had more good sides than bad sides. There were some problems, but life was good there,” say 49 percent of those polled. Eight percent of eastern Germans flatly oppose all criticism of their former home and agree with the statement: “The GDR had, for the most part, good sides. Life there was happier and better than in reunified Germany today.”

    These poll results, released last Friday in Berlin, reveal that glorification of the former East Germany has reached the center of society. Today, it is no longer merely the eternally nostalgic who mourn the loss of the GDR. “A new form of Ostalgie (nostalgia for the former GDR) has taken shape,” says historian Stefan Wolle. “The yearning for the ideal world of the dictatorship goes well beyond former government officials.” Even young people who had almost no experiences with the GDR are idealizing it today. “The value of their own history is at stake,” says Wolle.

    People are whitewashing the dictatorship, as if reproaching the state meant calling their own past into question. “Many eastern Germans perceive all criticism of the system as a personal attack,” says political scientist Klaus Schroeder, 59, director of an institute at Berlin’s Free University that studies the former communist state. He warns against efforts to downplay the SED dictatorship by young people whose knowledge about the GDR is derived mainly from family conversations, and not as much from what they have learned in school. “Not even half of young people in eastern Germany describe the GDR as a dictatorship, and a majority believe the Stasi was a normal intelligence service,” Schroeder concluded in a 2008 study of school students. “These young people cannot, and in fact have no desire to, recognize the dark sides of the GDR.”

    “Driven Out of Paradise”

    Schroeder has made enemies with statements like these. He received more than 4,000 letters, some of them furious, in reaction to reporting on his study. The 30-year-old Birger also sent an e-mail to Schroeder. The political scientist has now compiled a selection of typical letters to document the climate of opinion in which the GDR and unified Germany are discussed in eastern Germany. Some of the material gives a shocking insight into the thoughts of disappointed and angry citizens. “From today’s perspective, I believe that we were driven out of paradise when the Wall came down,” one person writes, and a 38-year-old man “thanks God” that he was able to experience living in the GDR, noting that it wasn’t until after German reunification that he witnessed people who feared for their existence, beggars and homeless people.

    Today’s Germany is described as a “slave state” and a “dictatorship of capital,” and some letter writers reject Germany for being, in their opinion, too capitalist or dictatorial, and certainly not democratic. Schroeder finds such statements alarming. “I am afraid that a majority of eastern Germans do not identify with the current sociopolitical system.”

    Many of the letter writers are either people who did not benefit from German reunification or those who prefer to live in the past. But they also include people like Thorsten Schön.

    After 1989 Schön, a master craftsman from Stralsund, a city on the Baltic Sea, initially racked up one success after the next. Although he no longer owns the Porsche he bought after reunification, the lion skin rug he bought on a vacation trip to South Africa — one of many overseas trips he has made in the past 20 years — is still lying on his living room floor. “There’s no doubt it: I’ve been fortunate,” says the 51-year-old today. A major contract he scored during the period following reunification made it easier for Schön to start his own business. Today he has a clear view of the Strelasund sound from the window of his terraced house.

    ‘People Lie and Cheat Everywhere Today’

    Wall decorations from Bali decorate his living room, and a miniature version of the Statue of Liberty stands next to the DVD player. All the same, Schön sits on his sofa and rhapsodizes about the good old days in East Germany. “In the past, a campground was a place where people enjoyed their freedom together,” he says. What he misses most today is “that feeling of companionship and solidarity.” The economy of scarcity, complete with barter transactions, was “more like a hobby.” Does he have a Stasi file? “I’m not interested in that,” says Schön. “Besides, it would be too disappointing.”

    His verdict on the GDR is clear: “As far as I’m concerned, what we had in those days was less of a dictatorship than what we have today.” He wants to see equal wages and equal pensions for residents of the former East Germany. And when Schön starts to complain about unified Germany, his voice contains an element of self-satisfaction. People lie and cheat everywhere today, he says, and today’s injustices are simply perpetrated in a more cunning way than in the GDR, where starvation wages and slashed car tires were unheard of. Schön cannot offer any accounts of his own bad experiences in present-day Germany. “I’m better off today than I was before,” he says, “but I am not more satisfied.”

    Schön’s reasoning is less about cool logic than it is about settling scores. What makes him particularly dissatisfied is “the false picture of the East that the West is painting today.” The GDR, he says, was “not an unjust state,” but “my home, where my achievements were recognized.” Schön doggedly repeats the story of how it took him years of hard work before starting his own business in 1989 — before reunification, he is quick to add. “Those who worked hard were also able to do well for themselves in the GDR.” This, he says, is one of the truths that are persistently denied on talk shows, when western Germans act “as if eastern Germans were all a little stupid and should still be falling to their knees today in gratitude for reunification.” What exactly is there to celebrate, Schön asks himself?

    “Rose-tinted memories are stronger than the statistics about people trying to escape and applications for exit visas, and even stronger than the files about killings at the Wall and unjust political sentences,” says historian Wolle.

    These are memories of people whose families were not persecuted and victimized in East Germany, of people like 30-year-old Birger, who says today: “If reunification hadn’t happened, I would also have had a good life.”

    Life as a GDR Citizen

    After completing his university degree, he says, he would undoubtedly have accepted a “management position in some business enterprise,” perhaps not unlike his father, who was the chairman of a farmers’ collective. “The GDR played no role in the life of a GDR citizen,” Birger concludes. This view is shared by his friends, all of them college-educated children of the former East Germany who were born in 1978. “Reunification or not,” the group of friends recently concluded, it really makes no difference to them. Without reunification, their travel destinations simply would have been Moscow and Prague, instead of London and Brussels. And the friend who is a government official in Mecklenburg today would probably have been a loyal party official in the GDR.

    The young man expresses his views levelheadedly and with few words, although he looks slightly defiant at times, like when he says: “I know, what I’m telling you isn’t all that interesting. The stories of victims are easier to tell.”

    Birger doesn’t usually mention his origins. In Duisburg, where he works, hardly anyone knows that he is originally from East Germany. But on this afternoon, Birger is adamant about contradicting the “victors’ writing of history.” “In the public’s perception, there are only victims and perpetrators. But the masses fall by the wayside.”

    This is someone who feels personally affected when Stasi terror and repression are mentioned. He is an academic who knows “that one cannot sanction the killings at the Berlin Wall.” However, when it comes to the border guards’ orders to shoot would-be escapees, he says: “If there is a big sign there, you shouldn’t go there. It was completely negligent.”

    This brings up an old question once again: Did a real life exist in the midst of a sham? Downplaying the dictatorship is seen as the price people pay to preserve their self-respect. “People are defending their own lives,” writes political scientist Schroeder, describing the tragedy of a divided country.

    #2
    Hi Kevin, as per previous, recent articles like this, there is a lot in here that I fully agree with ... particularly with regard to Birger's sentiments that when it comes to the portrayal of the DDR, there appear to be only perpetraitors and victims and the big masses and their lives and experiences are simply ignored. I made this point many times in the past four years or so, since joining this forum and I hope that other members of this forum might begin to understand these statements and feelings now, even if they do not agree...? Cheers, Torsten.

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      #3
      Torsten, I've given this topic much thought and have mixed emotions.

      Being an old Cold Warrior who served in Germany in the 1980's, I can't say that I miss the East German state or the ruling SED party. My world view is that East Germany was a failed Soviet puppet state where moral judgment was second to a Socialist dogma which caused it to take the most extreme measures to manipulate and control its population. When the Soviet Union and the majority of the East German people failed to support the State and Party they both collapsed.

      However, I believe that you can't condemn a people and a culture nor deny their expereinces or achievements based on the actions of their government. Over the last few years I've met a number of East Germans and learned that there was a rich social culture in the DDR in sport, science, technology, the arts and many other fields. Altough I despised the government I have come to admire its citizens, except for those pesky East German store clerks who treated everyone with the same disdain and indifference.

      There are many things that the US government has done in the last two centuries that were morally wrong and that Americans are not proud of. And although parts of the world may despise our government, they still embrace our people and culture.

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        #4
        Kevin, I think I am singing from a similar hymn sheet to you.
        And as for:
        'Majority OF Eastern Germans Believe life was better under Communism'

        Um, a few years ago now, I remember talking to an older German gentleman who expressed a similar sentiment relating to an earlier social framework period of German history starting in 1933. Interestingly this sentiment can also be found in younger generations albeit whispered rather than shouted...

        The phrase 'rose coloured spectacles comes to mind'

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          #5
          Originally posted by David H View Post
          Kevin, I think I am singing from a similar hymn sheet to you.
          And as for:
          'Majority OF Eastern Germans Believe life was better under Communism'

          Um, a few years ago now, I remember talking to an older German gentleman who expressed a similar sentiment relating to an earlier social framework period of German history starting in 1933. Interestingly this sentiment can also be found in younger generations albeit whispered rather than shouted...

          The phrase 'rose coloured spectacles comes to mind'
          And every Wehrmacht veteran I met in Germany said they never fought against the Americans, only the Russians

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            #6
            What it always comes back down to for me is that the ruling party and their cronies, especially the GT and MOST especially the MfS-- were constantly doing things in violation of their own constitution. To me, you can't get much worse than that.

            And I agree that the BRD has basically thrown the baby out with the bathwater as far as the DDR is concerned. Yes, it was a poisoned regime and yes, the political dogma reached far and wide into society. But I think the Wessis have gone overboard (and perhaps understandably, if not correctly) in tying East German society to East German government, given the necessity 50 years earlier of throwing away such vast swaths of German culture due to Nazi taint. But, as we all know here, the SED ain't the NSDAP.

            As for people thinking it was better back then... what was that big ole wall for? As said above, it obviously has quite a bit, if not mostly, to do with the allure of nostalgia.

            Given where our economy is, I wonder if you polled Americans, how many would say they think we were better off under Jimmy Carter. Probably more than you think.


            Malaise forever!

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              #7
              Remember that Moses led his people through the desert for 40 years, and that after 20 years people began to complain ... they told Moses that life in the desert was too difficult, and that at least when they were slaves they had food and water and places to sleep. Moses' friends asked him how long he thought people would be complaining like this and he replied, "Until the last person born under slavery has died". Our situation is very similar. The psychological gap between eastern and western Germany will last for at least a generation, or perhaps until the last person born under Communism has passed away.

              Lothar de Maizière, 1994

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                #8
                Originally posted by ehrentitle View Post
                And every Wehrmacht veteran I met in Germany said they never fought against the Americans, only the Russians
                well, one of my granddads fought the Norwegians first and then the americans in Normandy and my other was in Stalingrad fighting the russians ... neither ever said otherwise, but then again it was just the luck of the draw where the German soldier ended up fighting ... there were a lot more on the eastern front than on the western front and I guess, that statistically you would have been more likely to have met eastern front vets than the western counter parts ... but, then who knows ... Cheers, Torsten.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by torstenbel View Post
                  well, one of my granddads fought the Norwegians first and then the americans in Normandy and my other was in Stalingrad fighting the russians ... neither ever said otherwise, but then again it was just the luck of the draw where the German soldier ended up fighting ... there were a lot more on the eastern front than on the western front and I guess, that statistically you would have been more likely to have met eastern front vets than the western counter parts ... but, then who knows ... Cheers, Torsten.
                  Most I met simply didn't want to offend their American hosts buy saying they fought against the American forces in WWII.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ehrentitle View Post
                    Most I met simply didn't want to offend their American hosts buy saying they fought against the American forces in WWII.
                    probably

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Kartofelpreußer View Post
                      As for people thinking it was better back then... what was that big ole wall for?
                      But Genosse, we all know the answer to this! It was the Anti-Fascist Protection Barrier!



                      With regard to the rest of the discussion, many of your views are tainted - in capitalist societies the concept of "freedom" is not what the word would suggest. The "freedom" is the freedom to attain success and wealth, this is the carrot which the masses are fed. Of course, the flip side of that coin is that the majority will never succeed and that for many the "freedom" is the freedom to fail...

                      Greed, disregard for your fellow citizens and sometimes incredible self denial is what drives you to believe this is a better system than one where your fellow man is catered for by the state so that nobody "fails".

                      If your go and read your subject up, you will find the DDR lacked many of the things we regard as our current ills of society - and I'm sure the former citizens of the DDR see it in far sharper relief than we ever could.

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                        #12
                        Kozlov - I respect your opinion but don't necessarily agree with it. My concept of freedom is a bit different, it is that of individual free will and free speech that is not significantly constrained by the state. I don't believe this existed in the DDR. I think this difference is best summed up by a quote from Wikipedia's article on Liberty:

                        A socialist defines liberty as being connected to the reasonably equitable distribution of wealth, arguing that the unrestrained concentration of wealth (the means of production) into only a few hands negates liberty. In other words, without relatively equal ownership, the subsequent concentration of power and influence into a small portion of the population inevitably results in the domination of the wealthy and the subjugation of the poor. Thus, freedom and material equality are seen as intrinsically connected. On the other hand, the classical liberal argues that wealth cannot be evenly distributed without force being used against individuals which reduces individual liberty.

                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty
                        Last edited by ehrentitle; 07-16-2009, 10:49 AM.

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                          #13
                          I think the concept of freedom in a socialist casu quo communist country is the liberation of the mass of happy few (capitalists) that dominates the society and it's economy. Sociological science (see Pierre Bourdieu and others) has proved one thing and that is that the intergenerational mobility is very small, which means that rich people stay rich and that the 'poor' mass stays poor. The chance of an 'american dream' is proven to be very very small. Children with not educated parents, in a poor neighbourhood will be the same as their parents and will have the same values. Modern socialism is focussed on this fact. So I disagree that greed is the problem. Social stratification and the economical, educational and cultural privileges of the upper class is the problem.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Kartofelpreußer View Post

                            As for people thinking it was better back then... what was that big ole wall for? As said above, it obviously has quite a bit, if not mostly, to do with the allure of nostalgia.

                            Malaise forever!
                            i have been at pains to try and explain previously that it is not just as 'black and white' as that ... but I think it futile to go into that argument again .. ;-) ... anyhow, I know what I and my parents and friends have experienced while growing up in the DDR (with the wall and with the stasi and all of the oppressive stuff surrounding us) and I know what I and my parents and friends think about it now ... I have tried to explain this many times ... I am obviously not very good at explaining things and I give up ... ah well, it was worth a try ... ;-) ... maybe we can all meet up for a beer one day and then it might be easier to explain things ... Cheers, Torsten.

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                              #15
                              Torsten,

                              I would like to sit down and drink several good German Beers with you. I just wish your schedule and my schedule would permit this opportunity. I really would very much like to meet up with you one day before we both (me particularly) are too old to do so.

                              Prost
                              Michael D. GALLAGHER

                              M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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