Generals/admirals orden/urkunden

[torstenbel]

wow....now I will be watching this very closely...lets see how far the bidding goes? Cheers, Torsten.

just in case some of you missed it:

http://cgi.ebay.de/Armeegeneral-Unif...QQcmdZViewItem

[Stefas]

If you 're interested in the GDR generals,buy the book "Die generale und Admirale der NVA".It's got over 300 short biographies from all nva and grenztruppen generals.It's a great book,a musst for general collectors.
You can buy it at: links verlag,they have more fantastic biographies.
Look at: www.linksverlag.de
Greetings Vlassio Stefas

[seb16trs]

Hello,I only buy orden with the urkunden.I must say that Zeige has beautiful stuff.But very expensive.Most of the time it's higher then the "market" value.
But he's the one I trust.You have to be very careful,there are lots of blanco urkunden in circulation.I know one who's filling them with the most beautiful names.
It happend to me a time ago.
Now I only buy at trustful dealers,the price is a little bit higher.But you get the originals.
What do you have more??

hello, I'm a small collector, and I've had big difficulties to get genuine soviet general uniforms.
I'm interested with gathring all infos to burn fakes general pieces...
if you feel easy to tell me the name of the guy faking blanco urkunden, please Pm me!

or put it in the black list existing on this forum! cheers, sebastien

[Stefas]

hello, I'm a small collector, and I've had big difficulties to get genuine soviet general uniforms.
I'm interested with gathring all infos to burn fakes general pieces...
if you feel easy to tell me the name of the guy faking blanco urkunden, please Pm me!

or put it in the black list existing on this forum! cheers, sebastien

He's selling on german Ebay,his name is something like Mendeofroad.I forgot his real name.
He has always urkunden like 20 years service in kampgruppen,aktivist ore ehrenparade 1989.
Show me youre pieces if you want!!

[seb16trs]

do you think to thi kind of stuf:

http://cgi.ebay.fr/URKUNDE-zur-EHREN...QQcmdZViewItem

if you please to learn to us how to discover fake writtings on urkunden , it woukd be great!

[seb16trs]

http://cgi.ebay.fr/Orden-des-MfS-Gol...QQcmdZViewItem

I avoid stasi stuf as this is too asked, so the best chances to be faked. The name is typed, seems correct, isn't it?

[Stefas]

do you think to thi kind of stuf:

http://cgi.ebay.fr/URKUNDE-zur-EHREN...QQcmdZViewItem

if you please to learn to us how to discover fake writtings on urkunden , it woukd be great!

Exactly that one!!!He offerd almost 10 of them.from different nva/mfs Gen oberst.KEEP YOURE HANDS OF IT!!!!
The stasi orden with urkunden are not very rare and expensive,just look at the German ebay - sammlen seltenes - DDR nostalgie - orden abzeichen ore uniformen.
There you will find it much cheaper and from more respected dealers,for example : Geldnotrot - abzeichen konig and others

[torstenbel]

do you think to thi kind of stuf:

http://cgi.ebay.fr/URKUNDE-zur-EHREN...QQcmdZViewItem

if you please to learn to us how to discover fake writtings on urkunden , it woukd be great!

no way of telling from his single pic if original or not...might well be a photocopy, or might be original. I still have my own cert that was given to me by a little Jungpionier after the parade along with some flowers.... we had to re-group directly opposite the House des Lehrers after the parade was over when we were given those certs. What annoys me a little is that the seller just says that the cert has these signature, but he does not say that the signatures are only printed....Cheers, Torsten.

[seb16trs]

my concern is about typed words...if the guy masters typed technique, it could be a corre t level of faking...handwritting is easier for a faker. But I avoid cheap stuff dedicated to general, as it is antinomic since there where few NVA generals!

[torstenbel]

my concern is about typed words...if the guy masters typed technique, it could be a corre t level of faking...handwritting is easier for a faker. But I avoid cheap stuff dedicated to general, as it is antinomic since there where few NVA generals!

btw, does anyone know how many active NVA Generals there were serving at the end of the 1980's? I always remember being told that there were about 150? Cheers, Torsten.

[Stefas]

btw, does anyone know how many active NVA Generals there were serving at the end of the 1980's? I always remember being told that there were about 150? Cheers, Torsten.

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Hello Torsten,there where about 370 nva/grenztruppen/ZV generals & admirals from 1956 till 1990.
I give some numbers:
1980 there where 183 Generale
1987 ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,203,,,,,,,,,,,
1989,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,169,,,,,,,,,,,
Buy the book wich I recommended.

[Stefas]

my concern is about typed words...if the guy masters typed technique, it could be a corre t level of faking...handwritting is easier for a faker. But I avoid cheap stuff dedicated to general, as it is antinomic since there where few NVA generals!

There where hand write and typed words on general urkundes.Till the end of 60s the most where handwrite.Like treue dienste,verdienst,waffenbruder and kampforden.Later they where typed.
But the FDJ and GST urkundes where written till the end,they look very cheap.But they are original.
The garanty is the seller.Try to find out what he's ever sold?Does he have more and different stuff??Does he's got complete collections.

[Edward L. Hsiao]

A Good Find!

Gentlemen,

Very hard awards to find. But they contribute in giving a story of a high ranking East German General or Admiral.

Edward L. Hsiao