what are these?

[redline09]

these are not mine, i just spoted them on the web and was wondering what they are(?)

[Greg Collins]

Without hitting the Avers book, I can tell you that, assuming they are genuine (which I am unable to make an educated guess at from the photos) both are very early Soviet badges- 1920's. The machine gun plus winged wheel badge would indicate mechanized gunner, while the other would be for cavalry. Note the first emblem of the Soviet army- the hammer and plough. This MAY have been borrowed from the Irish Republican Brotherhood (IRB) flag- known as the "Starry Plough"- from the Easter Rising of 1916. Lenin considered James Connolly's army as the first Red Army.

[Greg Collins]

Just consulted my Avers #2 and couldn't find either badge. Not necessarily a cause for alarm since Avers #2 is, at best, a handy guide book type of thing. Perhaps someone fortunate enough to own an Avers #8 (around $250) could chime in.

[paddywhack]

Without hitting the Avers book, I can tell you that, assuming they are genuine (which I am unable to make an educated guess at from the photos) both are very early Soviet badges- 1920's. The machine gun plus winged wheel badge would indicate mechanized gunner, while the other would be for cavalry. Note the first emblem of the Soviet army- the hammer and plough. This MAY have been borrowed from the Irish Republican Brotherhood (IRB) flag- known as the "Starry Plough"- from the Easter Rising of 1916. Lenin considered James Connolly's army as the first Red Army.

wouldn't we have been the green army though!!!!

[leibermuster]

wouldn't we have been the green army though!!!!

I have never met an Irish Vegan.
Perhaps comrade Lenin was thinking of the blood spilt for Irish freedom? Although with all the Guiness, it should perhaps be the Brown?

[paddywhack]

hahaha neither have i!!!!! and yes most irish have Guinness for blood!!!

nice badges though!!

[redline09]

the items are here -

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WWII-Russian-M...3286.m63.l1177