Russian M39 helmet...reality check

[luftwaffenkopf]

inside rear has a stamp of 3-xxxx, so that makes it a size 3 shell, quite large...

[luftwaffenkopf]

anyone have an opinion on this one?...

[Adrian Stevenson]

I have real concerns about this one.

Cheers, Ade.

[luftwaffenkopf]

I have real concerns about this one.

Cheers, Ade.

what are the red flags? pardon the pun

[Adrian Stevenson]

I would like to see better pics, but the paint is very new looking and shines. Any ink stamps to the shell? The liner needs a closer look too.

These pattern helemts are being made using Czech M53 shells and fake new made liners added.

Cheers, Ade.

[luftwaffenkopf]

I would like to see better pics, but the paint is very new looking and shines. Any ink stamps to the shell? The liner needs a closer look too.

These pattern helemts are being made using Czech M53 shells and fake new made liners added.

Cheers, Ade.

i've asked the seller for pictures of stamps and so far he is ignoring my requests. not a good sign... thank you!

[luftwaffenkopf]

2 more pics

does it still look like a Czech M53 remake with a fake liner?

[Steve Sherlock]

Shouldn't these have an oil cloth strip sewn around the lower part of the cloth bag liner (where it is stitched)? I think they should, if I recall correctly.

Steve

[WhiteFeather]

Hi,

The stamp 3-xxxx is typical russian marking, it's correspond to the size, the a metallurgic serial number maybe...
We know Czech reused soviet helmets after ww2, but essentielly Ssh 40 shells, theses shells have the propriety to have the 6 holes of the old russian liner to be bridge with rivets.

So, we can suppose it's a russian Ssh 39 reused by the Czech, the color is typical to the Czech Vz 53 !
And the liner seems to be a fake !

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[Adrian Stevenson]

I would not buy this helmet unless you were looking for a re-enactor peice. I am just not convinced by it.

Hi Steve, yes the liner will typically have an oilcloth sweatband. However, some were not produced with this feature.

Here is a good dealers site which shows many Ssch39's in detail:

http://www.aboutww2militaria.com/

Cheers, Ade.

[luftwaffenkopf]

thank you fellas! i suspected the paint being a Czech reissue. with that concluded, the liner cloth must be a replacement as well. no dice then.

[Kozlov]

Doesn't look like a Czech ordnance colour to me... looks very Soviet salamander green on my monitor.

However I'd say for sure its is a lash up - Soviet shell with bodged liner. No SSh39 I've ever seen had a liner quite like that.

[leibermuster]

Who is reproducing early liners? I have a 36 pattern helmet but it has a replaced liner that is the three pad style.