What Foreign Qualification Badges and Awards can be worn on BW Uniforms

[RamJet]

ok, so none are practically being worn but are there any permitted to be worn theoretically? Cheers, Torsten.

Not allowed. Would have liked to see a former NVA pilot taken over by the Bundeswehr with Luftwaffe and LSK/LV pilot wing ... but former NVA badges/medals are not permitted to wear on Bundeswehr uniforms.

Best wishes,
Steve

[torstenbel]

Not allowed. Would have liked to see a former NVA pilot taken over by the Bundeswehr with Luftwaffe and LSK/LV pilot wing ... but former NVA badges/medals are not permitted to wear on Bundeswehr uniforms.

Best wishes,
Steve

Hi Steve, thanks for your answer ... Cheers, Torsten.

[Gordon Craig]

@ Gene & Gordon:

The Luftwaffe bought 88 RF-4E Recce-Phantoms in 1971/72 and 175 F-4Fs from 1973 to 1975 as tactical fighters. While the RFs were phased out in the beginning of the 90s, 110 of the F-4Fs underwent an upgrade under the ICE program from 1991 to 1996. The ICE (Improved Combat Efficiency) program included a new radar (the AN/APG-65), a new mission computer and AMRAAM capability. You can distinguish ICE F-4Fs by their light grey radoms from the old birds with the black radom.

Initially, the F-4F was a simplified F-4E not capable of shooting the AIM-7 Sparrow, but with a higher maneuverability due to the incorporation of leading edge slats.

Gene, You are right, at George AFB the lead-in training was conducted on F-4Es which additionally were purchased by the Luftwaffe. They were moved to Holloman AFB in 1992 and replaced by F-4Fs in the following time (one of this F-4Es now stands as a gate guard in front of our Eurofighter training squadron 2./JG 73 "S" at Laage AB, painted in standard F-4F camouflage).

2004 the German Phantom training in the USA ended. Every new pilot scheduled to fly the Phantom (it is expected to stay in Luftwaffe service until 2012) now undergoes conversion training at JG 71 "Richthofen" at Wittmund AB.

Here is a pic I did in 1996 of two F-4Fs of JG 71 "R" during a QRA flight:

Steve,

Thanks for your input. There seems to be a lot of conflicting data out there then about the the BW Luftwaffe bought in the way of the Phantom. I'll rely on your data from now on.
So pilots and Navigators in the F4 will not longer qualify for the USAF Wings from the beginng of training in Germany only. Interesting to know. I'll have to print this all out or it will get lost in the foruma dn I'll never find it again.

Regards,

Gordon

[RamJet]

So pilots and Navigators in the F4 will not longer qualify for the USAF Wings from the beginng of training in Germany only.

Oh, no, that is not correct. They got their German/USAF pilot wings after finishing the jet pilot training in Sheppard AFB/Texas and the WSOs got their German WSO/USN NFO wing after finishing the school at NAS Penacola.

The type conversion training on the F-4 has nothing to do with qualifyig for the wings.

Good source for You: www.luftwaffe.de
The official German Air Force website.

Have a nice evening,
Steve

[Gordon Craig]

Steve,

Thanks for the clarification.

Regards,

Gordon