Bundesmarine

[SprogCollector]

Having completed my collection of select early Bundesheer and Bundesluftwaffe items (mainly hats), I've moved on to early Bundesmarine. Thus far, I've picked up a blue-topped Flag-Officer visor cap (non-removable top); a 1964-dated, mid-grade white-topped cap (removable top); and a very beat up junior officer visor which may turn out to be a Handelsmarine cap instead of Bundesmarine.

Gordon and I have traded e-mails on navy items and I think this last segment of my early Bundeswehr collection will likely prove the most difficult, particularly for the very early blue-topped caps -- which went away in 1968.

My naval collection is pretty small at this point. Just the aforementioned caps and a pair of reefer jackets -- one for a Leutnant zur See and the other for an Oberbootsman. The officer jacket is from the mid-1960s and the other from 1971.

I've found it interesting that the senior officer caps both have the stamped metal kokarde and not the bullion version typically seen on Heer and Luftwaffe offizier mützen. Originally I thought it might be to limit corrosion damage but this clearly makes no sense as the anchor and wreath are bullion and subject to tarnish.




Very delighted to see the BW now has its own section of the forum!

[Gordon Craig]

Sprogcollector,

Welcome to the BRD Forum. Your knowledge of West German caps is very welcome. Here are some pictures of a junior officers visor cap, these you hav seen before, to sort of round out the beginning of this thread. Shown in the foto are replacement blue and white tops for the cap. These caps are in my home in Canada and I won't get to see them until June. Looking forward to that!

Regards,

Gordon

[Furor Teutonicu]

Shown in the foto are replacement blue and white tops for the cap.

Interested to know if the blue tops are dated. We certainly do not get them issued any more. Then again, caps are not used much at ALL off the parade square, or when in No 1's.

[Guardian 5]

SprogCollector- Beautiful examples in keeping with your impeccable taste.

Attached below is what I believe to be a Bundesmarine Bosun's whistle complete with a lanyard made of sailor's macrame. It came in a lot of Bundesmarine insignia, but I suppose the colors could also represent the DDR or even Belgium.....

Although I'm an old soldier, my intent is to master the whistle so I can run my household the way Captain Von Trapp did in the Sound of Music.

Thanks for the nice photos.

TJ

[Furor Teutonicu]

[QUOTE=Thomas J. Cullinane Jr.;3254480]
Attached below is what I believe to be a Bundesmarine Bosun's whistle

Bosuns call, or Bosuns ipe is the name. Bootsmanpfiefe in German.

but I suppose the colors could also represent the DDR or even Belgium.....

Belgium

How could it POSSIBLY be Belgium

[uscob]

[quote=Furor Teutonicu;3254530]

Attached below is what I believe to be a Bundesmarine Bosun's whistle

Bosuns call, or Bosuns ipe is the name. Bootsmanpfiefe in German.




Belgium

How could it POSSIBLY be Belgium

Black, red, gold
Black, gold,red

[Furor Teutonicu]

[QUOTE=uscob;3255378]

Black, red, gold
Black, gold,red

Genau.

(Exactly!)

[speedytop]

"or even Belgium"

"Black, red, gold
Black, gold, red"

"Genau (Exactly!)"

No!

Germany: Black Red Gold
Belgium: Black Yellow Red

Furthermore it could never be Belgium, it is the sequence, here is red in the middle.

Uwe

[Furor Teutonicu]

"or even Belgium"

"Black, red, gold
Black, gold, red"

"Genau (Exactly!)"

No

Germany: Black Red Gold
Belgium: Black Yellow Red

Furthermore it could never be Belgium, it is the sequence, here is red in the middle.

Uwe

I repeat my post immediately prior to your last.

[Ralph P]

Hello all - Lets remember that this forum is for all of us to learn and educate and further show what is out there for collections related to the BRD. I for one appreicate having forum members from all over the world to discuss and learn about what they have, but we should not dig our heals in. Because to other members who visit this forum it might appear there are problems between members which it might not be the case, just a different understanding of writing out a language. The BRD is a team forum for all of us...not some of us, thanks.

[Guardian 5]

In case you wanted to compare cap tallies....

Gents - If you ever wondered how the script on the Third Reich, DDR, and BRD naval cap tallies compared together stylistically, wonder no more.

It's interesting to note how the DDR closely followed the TR, going for the more traditional gothic style script.

Take care - TJ

P.S. - Hey look, I guess it's O.K. to call it the Bundesmarine after all...

[Guardian 5]

Here is another selection of BRD cap tallies.

Collecting cap tallies is a fun and fairly inexpensive hobby. I found a whole box of WW II era Royal Navy cap tallies at a surplus store that sold for a mere 25 cents each. Needless to say, I bought them out. That was a whole lot of history on the cheap.

Researching the ship's history is fun and the tallies themselves don't take up much storage space.

Take care - TJ

[Guardian 5]

I repeat my post immediately prior to your last.

Gents - Ralph has a great point.

We're a new forum. If you guys are going to hop from thread to thread arguing with eachother, nobody is going to log on anymore.

This is our hobby, we're supposed to be having fun! We should be happy, like the guy in the picture.

That said, it looks like we've ruled out Belgium as the source of the Bosun's pipe. Thanks for the clarification.

All the best - TJ

P.S. - I'm loving those sideburns!

[Furor Teutonicu]

Hello all - Lets remember that this forum is for all of us to learn and educate and further show what is out there for collections related to the BRD. I for one appreicate having forum members from all over the world to discuss and learn about what they have, but we should not dig our heals in. Because to other members who visit this forum it might appear there are problems between members which it might not be the case, just a different understanding of writing out a language. The BRD is a team forum for all of us...not some of us, thanks.

On a forum about the Bundewehr I would have thought it a bare MINIMUM of knowledge to know the colours of the German flag. AND in which order they came.

[Furor Teutonicu]

P.S. - Hey look, I guess it's O.K. to call it the Bundesmarine after all...

THAT was never disputed. "Bundesluftwaffe" however does NOT exist.