British DP Combat Smock

[Steve T]

Here's a British DP combat smock. Had this some time but always wondered about the colour of the DP.

Is it a colour for some specific role, for night use in desert? Anyone know about this type of smock?
Cheers.

[Steve T]

Model number.

[MeinhardcFJR2]

Hello Steve,

This smock is just a standard issue British Army Desert DPM Smock that has had a dye run through it for some reason.

Clearly the dye has not taken to the velcro and label.

Hope this helps,

Mark.

[Steve T]

Hello Steve,

This smock is just a standard issue British Army Desert DPM Smock that has had a dye run through it for some reason.

Clearly the dye has not taken to the velcro and label.

Hope this helps,

Mark.

Good point, dye/ toned down for civvy use maybe, not a bad idea. In fact I bought it to keep in the land rover for the days when it gets snowy/cold to use as an overcoat, the Lightweight Rover is not too warm!

Yes, all the tan strings, fittings etc look the right colour for desert and not affected by any dye. So the NSN is correct for a tan brown desert?

Thanks for your help..

[uscob]

going through my files it's a
FSC 8415 - Clothing, Special Purpose
country Code 99 UK
665- 6285 Poncho, Combat.
?????
To me it doesn't look dyed as we tried this to get some Work clothing and even if the label and velcro didn't took the complete coulour, you'll see a difference and this is a clear white Label. I think it's something strange.
i have to clean up a bit, then I'll post another nice Jacket.

[Steve T]

Thanks Nico.

I don't know if this helps any determination or not but the hood has the wire support in it.

[kammo man]

Hi Steve ,
I also feel this item we "fashion" dyed to sell surplus military clothing to the public in a army surplus or a fashion retailer .
When dying military normal dyes do NOT take to any item with nylon in it such as velco ,zipps ect however a specialist dye house will be able to do this ...its really expensive and I suspect a smock weighs at least 3 and a half pounds ...you pay by weight so in USD would be around 10 bucks ,the smock in surplus land would have only cost that so cost is a big factor.
I feel the label has been re-applied , and then sold as an SAS , special forces item .
owen

[Steve T]

Hi Steve ,
I also feel this item we "fashion" dyed to sell surplus military clothing to the public in a army surplus or a fashion retailer .
When dying military normal dyes do NOT take to any item with nylon in it such as velco ,zipps ect however a specialist dye house will be able to do this ...its really expensive and I suspect a smock weighs at least 3 and a half pounds ...you pay by weight so in USD would be around 10 bucks ,the smock in surplus land would have only cost that so cost is a big factor.
I feel the label has been re-applied , and then sold as an SAS , special forces item .
owen

Hi Owen,

Thanks also for writing.

I won't have any concerns then with keeping it in the Rover, for the cold, in the mud off roading and so on. I thought I'd check, didn't want to ruin anything that might be something of a collector type item.


It can get cold in my Rover, or dirty sometimes like my friends SII!

[uscob]

Hi Steve ,
I also feel this item we "fashion" dyed to sell surplus military clothing to the public in a army surplus or a fashion retailer .
When dying military normal dyes do NOT take to any item with nylon in it such as velco ,zipps ect however a specialist dye house will be able to do this ...its really expensive and I suspect a smock weighs at least 3 and a half pounds ...you pay by weight so in USD would be around 10 bucks ,the smock in surplus land would have only cost that so cost is a big factor.
I feel the label has been re-applied , and then sold as an SAS , special forces item .
owen

I don't agree as I often work with such companies for movie Props and there are no spots of a removed and re attached label. To me the Fabric was dyed befor sewing in total. as it's a windproof smock, it is a SAS or SF Item. the wire is also found in the detachable hoods of the Standard Field Jackets.
sadly I lost my Aldershot contact to show the Pic, but I still think it's something special.

[Steve T]

I don't agree as I often work with such companies for movie Props and there are no spots of a removed and re attached label. To me the Fabric was dyed befor sewing in total. as it's a windproof smock, it is a SAS or SF Item. the wire is also found in the detachable hoods of the Standard Field Jackets.
sadly I lost my Aldershot contact to show the Pic, but I still think it's something special.

Hmm, OK rethink maybe just for cold weather not the mud then..

I've been looking about the web for the NSN of a regular desert DP in this pattern, I wondered if it had a different number.

Thanks Nico

[MeinhardcFJR2]

I don't agree as I often work with such companies for movie Props and there are no spots of a removed and re attached label. To me the Fabric was dyed befor sewing in total. as it's a windproof smock, it is a SAS or SF Item. the wire is also found in the detachable hoods of the Standard Field Jackets.
sadly I lost my Aldershot contact to show the Pic, but I still think it's something special.

Hello,

I am currently in my 23rd year of service with the British Army I have been issued many of these smocks over the years, this smock is not a UKSF specific item of clothing. Windproof items of clothing are issued dependent on environment not on what arm of service you belong to.

All the wire in the hood is for is to shape the "snorkel" of the hood around your face wether it be during a sand storm or a snow blizzard, as with the normal european pattern DPM.

I am back in camp tomorrow and I will make a point of visiting the clothing store and get them to run this NSN on their system to confirm, however I am 110% cerain this is nothing special it's just another standard issue Dezzy windproof.

Regards,

Mark.

[Marc Sherriff]

From the JSP, designation is as on the label (except a mistake has been made in the JSP by the addition of the words PONCHO, COMBAT).

8415-99-665-6278 150 to 160 up to 88 8415-99-665-6286 170 to 180 96 to 104
8415-99-665-6279 150 to 160 90 to 96 8415-99-665-6287 170 to 180 104 to 112
8415-99-665-6280 150 to 160 96 to 104 8415-99-665-6288 180 to 190 up to 96
8415-99-665-6281 160 to 170 up to 88 8415-99-665-6289 180 to 190 96 to 104
8415-99-665-6282 160 to 170 88 to 96 8415-99-665-6290 180 to 190 104 to 112
8415-99-665-6283 160 to 170 96 to 104 8415-99-665-6291 180 to 190 112 to 120
8415-99-665-6284 160 to 170 104 to 112 8415-99-665-6292 Special Measure

8415-99-665-6285 170 to 180 up to 96

Prior to the issue of MTP these Smocks were the standard issue to ALL troops. It is possible that an individual soldier has coloured the smock, I know that a number of items were dyed in Afghanistan but with green.

[kammo man]

like I said , a fashion item .



owen ...


ps


your rovers are lovely !!!!

[Steve T]

Thanks all for the help..

[nige247]

Steve

Full Nato Spec

Nato Stock Number: 8415996656285
Description: PONCHO,COMBAT CLOTH,COTTON/POLY;DESERT;DISRUPTIVELY PATT,IRR;SGL BRSTD;ATTACHED HOOD W/COWL;C/W SLEEVES;170-180CM H;UPTO 96CM CHEST;W/CARE LABEL
DMC: CAS
Cat of Store: 1
Inventory Classification Code: 3
Provision Management Code: B
Pre-Issue Inspection Code: 0
Lowest Echelon of Use: Z
Storage Classification: A
Hazard Category: 0
Storage Restriction: 3
Supersession Code: 0
Superseded NSN:
Superseded DMC:
Superseding NSN:
Superseding DMC:
Short Item Name: PONCHO,COMBAT
Denomination of Quantity: EA
Accounting Classification: C
Basic Price: 0.00
Supply Price: 0.00
Target Price: 0.00
Number of Procurement Details: 1
Procurement Reference Number: DC/MS/5625-D00054 SIZE 180/96
Procurement Reference Code: C

Nige