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    36th Ulster Division Items.

    Just thought I'd post a few items to see if anyone else has an interest in the 36th Ulster and 16th Irish Divisions.

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    Ulster Division Red Cross arm band.
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      16th Irish Division named MC winners cuff rank tunic and cap,all Dublin made.
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        Button Boss of the Royal Irish Rifles.
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          Silvered brass post 1915 YCV cap badge.
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            All brass post 1915 YCV cap badge. Unusually this example has a slider.
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              Please feel free to post any similar items on this thread. The idea is to see if other members are interested in this field of collecting. Adam

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                I have an interest! Fabulous items indeed! I doubt we will see too many more posts here as these are some rather scarce items to say the least. I have been seeing some of the cap badges on ePay lately, but would not touch most of them with a 10 foot pole...

                CB

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                  Hi Adam,

                  I have a big interest in the Irish Divisons (well the Regiments that made up them). Love that uniform to the Royal Irish Regiment. Do you know the chaps name who wore it. It would be interesting to find out what he did for the MC.
                  I might post some of my stuff, I have a few british campaign medals to Irish Regiments.

                  Stephen

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                    You have some very interesting items Diocles .

                    Here is a photo of my Great Grandfather in his 'North Irish Horse' uniform...
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                        Hi CB, Stephen and John. Thanks for your responses. Perhaps you could post some more here. I'll do a link to Captain Burke's uniform I posted last year on the forum. It didn't get much response but I have lots more research on both him and his uniform. The link is - http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=230007
                        Thanks to a great War forum member I have his picture. It was taken from a Cork paper when he won his 16th Irish Div. Cert on 9th Sept 1916 when he was only 23. The cap and uniform he is wearing is almost certainly the one I have. When I received his uniform a quick search revealed his MC ribbon bar in a top pocket where he undoubtedly left it when he later attached his three medal bar! I'll post his picture with one or two pics for comparison to see what you think. He had been shot some six times (four times on the last occasion serving with the 2nd Bn RIRegt at Albert on 21 August 1918 when 2nd Bn were posted to the Naval Division) The jacket he wore then was undoubtably destroyed. As this was his last action he no doubt took his old cuff rank tunic out and stitched on his new medal bar. He was disabled out of the 3rd Bn RIRegt. in 1919 but according to the books and paperwork I have he kept up his interest in the army until his death 1977.
                        One thing I did find out since the original post was that the felt battle badge was worn when serving with any battalion other than your own. It was peculier design to the 16th. In Captain Burkes case it may have been because he had inlisted in the third battalion RIRegt. and then been transferred to the 6th battalion, or more likely because he was at one time attached to the Connaught Rangers. He possibly won his MC with the Connaughts and he is styled 'attd 6th bn Conn Rang' when he was gazetted for a trench raid on 5/4/17. He carried on leading his men despite being wounded 'until ordered to the rear'. In this raid 21 prisoners of the 4th Grenadier Regiment (Prussians) were captured. I say possibly because it was the 6th Royal Irish Regiment who actually carried out the raid! The then 2nd Lieutenant Burke is mentioned in the RIRegt's official History as taking part and being wounded. The Connaghts at that time are listed as the reserve battalion. Perhaps Burke had been attached to the Connaughts (they had suffered horrendous casualties) and had then led a company of them on the raid? When with the 6th Bn RIRegt. in 1916 he was O/C 'B' company which was made up mostly with Nationalists from Derry and in November 1916 he was MID. Sorry to go on so much I'll just post the pics! Adam

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                          From the Cork Examiner.
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