10.commando Cloth Shoulder Title

[DJT]

What do you mean with "even before there was a real market for WW2 items." ?
I've know a lot of Polish collectors in Poland on WW2 items before 1990. And I noticed a lot of fakes, already in those days.

Exactly, to believe faking of Allied items is only a recent trend would be very naive, especially when your talking about items associated with elite units such as Airborne, Commando, SAS etc.. that have always been desirable and valued by collectors.

Also 3DSK what has the source of the item got to do with anything? When collectors say oh well I bought this item from the sweet blind old man at the flea market for just a few shiny pennies, what does that tell us? Nothing, only the circumstances in which you acquired the item. To evaluate an item properly you must do so on its merits alone, nothing else.

[ROBB]

http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZpetehal1QQhtZ-1


Here is Petehal1 current selection of fakes ,look and compare ,notice the similarities ,check out his previous sales in his feedback ,oh look amazingly he has sold 345 SAS shoulder titles 49 Chindit patches 458 commando patches 1000 SOE wings .Incredible .Rob.

[Jack Dutton-Roberts]

3 DSK you can believe these are real or fake - none of us are really that bothered - we have nothing to lose or gain. But I would listen to the opinions of a few people here as you'll find they are quite good at this.

I know it can be difficult to accept something as a fake but believe me I have made mistakes like this in the past and will make more of them in the future - as I am sure other members have also.

[Guy]

Indian fakes!

It doesn't matter how much you try to justify them that is what they are!

Granted some English and commonwealth titles use a similar twist, but these are typical of indian reproductions from the last 20 years or so. Many collectors here have suffered in the same way and learnt from their experiences. Perhaps you should defer to their knowledge.

Yours, Guy.

[3 DSK]

Well, in fact I have always be interested in other opinions and I wanted to do a little check. Sometimes i have put out items, on other forums, I have got from my grandfather who was an officers in the 3 DSK and you wont belive how many people ruled out original items as fakes. Many times it starts with one person saying something is a fake and then new collectors just follow that without any real knowloge - 3,4 persons later down the line one claim is suddenly a untouchable fact.

Here I want to make clear I am not saying that all members on the forum are just following some opinions other might have stated once.Now, I am not claiming that these nr 10 commandos are real ones or vice versa. But as I said before, real proof is alwyas nice. The only thing I said was that my titles didnt match the Cunnards titles or the others presented on the forum. It has nothing to do me protecting a fake item. Anyway I want to thank everybody so comitted in this matter and once again, thanks for all your opinions.

Cheers

[3 DSK]

In case my previous reply sounded ironic, it was not my intention
Thanks for all the opinions!

[Guy]

I agree wholeheartedly,

It is very distressing when a genuine piece gets the forum "fake" treatment. This is mostly at the hands of wagon jumpers who have just enough knowledge to be dangerous. Herd mentality at it's worst; These people are motivated by a desire to be taken seriously and the tiny glimmer of fame these forums afford is narcotic to them. Hence you will see a 6 month member with 2000 posts. They are playing the numbers game, substance doesn't even enter into it. We are quite fortunate in that there are only a few on this forum unlike some of the Axis forums.

In this case however some serious collectors with a lot of knowledge have answered your appeal for help and they are correct about these titles. These are absolutely identical to some of the ebay offerings of 5 or 6 years ago.

As a general rule of thumb, British hand embroidery is so well executed that much of it appears to be machine embroidered from the obverse view and the revers closely mimicks the front. See the Ulster titles pictured. There are of course exceptions as to every rule but in general it holds true. The Devon title pictured is about the worst example of British embroidery I have seen but it is still quite neatly executed.

Hope the above is of some help.

Yours, Guy.

[lnijherald]

Guy, amen to that!
Also, we often agree on certain pieces and only present our conclusions, not what made us come to these.
Those are nice badges Guy, here's a really crudely made one:
Cheers, Luc

[3 DSK]

I am glad that all seem to understand the point I tried to make
Thanks Guy!

[Guy]

Hi DSK,

No worries, we all get frustrated at times and as Luc says we tend to deliver a verdict without presenting the evidence that got us there, sorry about that .

That's one nasty title Luc, I've got a pair of KOSB in this horrible sketchy machine embroidery. Funny thing is they have the starch back which sort of points to them being regulation pieces, It's suprising they were accepted really when one looks at the quality.

Part of what I love about embroidered insignia is the amount of variation. As Ken has allready stated it would seem there were literally hundreds of manufacturers using myriad materials. Keeps you on your toes .

Yours, Guy.