Watch this seller and buyers!!!!

[JEROEN1944]

Watch this seller and buyers!!! First only fake-labels, and now the fake-labels on the reprotrousers. They have to ................. !
Maybe the buyers are the badest ones, why do they want a BD trouser with repro label.....?
http://cgi.ebay.com/P37-40-Battledre...QQcmdZViewItem
Jeroen

[lnijherald]

Hi Jeroen,

He bought a pair of undated P'37 trousers of me a while ago.
I don't really have a problem with him, he clearly states the label is a repro. But in the future these will end up as genuine ones sold for huge prices to the inexperienced collector. I recommend you save a picture of the label on your PC, so you know it's a copy if you ever come across one.
Cheers, Luc

[Jack Dutton-Roberts]

Jeroen,

OK fair enough, watch out for these being sold as real in a few years time etc. but your thread is unfair on the seller, because he clearly states they are repros and doesn't set out to deceive anyone?

They want a label too because it looks the part I suppose?

Thanks, from Jack.

[JEROEN1944]

Hi Jeroen,

He bought a pair of undated P'37 trousers of me a while ago.
I don't really have a problem with him, he clearly states the label is a repro. But in the future these will end up as genuine ones sold for huge prices to the inexperienced collector. I recommend you save a picture of the label on your PC, so you know it's a copy if you ever come across one.
Cheers, Luc

He Luc,

Photo is already saved! Hm i dont like this at all, why sell repro labels, whats he does is nothing wrong with, only make some money! But idd these trousers will end at the market as genuine ones! I think you all know what i mean!!!!

Jeroen

[JEROEN1944]

Jeroen,

OK fair enough, watch out for these being sold as real in a few years time etc. but your thread is unfair on the seller, because he clearly states they are repros and doesn't set out to deceive anyone?

They want a label too because it looks the part I suppose?

Thanks, from Jack.

Ok, that`s youre opinion! But for me he intends to sell it, on people who sell it as genuine! Thats !!!!
Why give people a change to decieve anyone! Stuf of this is

Jeroen

[lnijherald]

Why give people a change to decieve anyone!Jeroen

I have to disagree Jeroen, like Jack says labelled trousers just look much better for instance if you reenact. Like any reproduction item or even a repro badge it can fill a gap temporarily, so it's ok I think to put these on the market.
I think that as a collector you should spend an aweful lot of time on studying copies and reproductions, so you won't get burned!
Cheers, Luc

[JEROEN1944]

I have to disagree Jeroen, like Jack says labelled trousers just look much better for instance if you reenact. Like any reproduction item or even a repro badge it can fill a gap temporarily, so it's ok I think to put these on the market.
I think that as a collector you should spend an aweful lot of time on studying copies and reproductions, so you won't get burned!
Cheers, Luc

Some parts of that i agree, but mark the labels clear with a fake manuf. or something! And idd you have to study some fake items, but thats not the point in this tread. Its just a very thin line between repro or fake. Its the same with the German stuf, a reenacter doesn`t car of his trousers are pink or yellow on the inside. So why not a clear mark on the label! I know why, they can`t sel it anymore because the buyer cant sell it as real ones! When you are reenacting the common whatcher can`t tell from the label of its a genuine one or not! So selling these labels is just to decieve anyone.. Not from the seller but the buyers who gona sell it.

[lnijherald]

Jeroen,

Fake manufacturers names on an item do not prevent articles (like maroon berets from Compton Webb & Sons) to end up on the market as genuine.
Yes the general audience wouldn't notice if you wear P'49 battle dress and a Belgian Denison smock, but I understand reenactors take great pride in the accuracy of their kit.

Speaking of German stuff, I've been told a US manufacturer sells repro WW1 German uniforms to reenactors for 500USD, after 5 years he will buy it back from you for...... 500USD

Let's agree to disagree Jeroen, I think if you are going to collect seriously and spend a lot of cash, you have to do your homework!

Re the ebay trousers, I think the label looks rather poor, and the stitching is even worse.

Cheers, Luc

[JEROEN1944]

Jeroen,

Fake manufacturers names on an item do not prevent articles (like maroon berets from Compton Webb & Sons) to end up on the market as genuine.
Yes the general audience wouldn't notice if you wear P'49 battle dress and a Belgian Denison smock, but I understand reenactors take great pride in the accuracy of their kit.

Speaking of German stuff, I've been told a US manufacturer sells repro WW1 German uniforms to reenactors for 500USD, after 5 years he will buy it back from you for...... 500USD

Let's agree to disagree Jeroen, I think if you are going to collect seriously and spend a lot of cash, you have to do your homework!

Re the ebay trousers, I think the label looks rather poor, and the stitching is even worse.

Cheers, Luc

Luc,

I agree yes, we have to do our homework, lets hope that its not going to be like the German market. But i think its gona be...

Jeroen

[ccj]

I agree with Jeroen. Anyone selling repro uniforms and badges, that are as close as possible to the real thing, is doing so hoping people will buy them expecting to make profit from resale. The dealersmanufacturer continues to improve the items he is selling knowing that people will buy products for resale as originals.

I have no problems with reproductions but they should not have labels and maker marks exactly like originals.

Luc,

I agree yes, we have to do our homework, lets hope that its not going to be like the German market. But i think its gona be...

Jeroen

[Guy]

I think to a degree everyone is getting worked up for nothing.

Whilst the field of "German" collecting has become extremely dangerous and littered with fakes it has laso become, with the advent of public forums, fairly effectively self policing.

Admittedly the repro Denison labels perturbed me for a while but they are still not perfect. Granted if some miscreant wanted they could convert a smock with the idea of duping someone, but, it is quite likely that they wouldn't get away with it for long as so much work would be required.

The Airborne trousers are another proposition entirely! Yes the majority of the parts are available to convert a pair of P37's to Airborne spec but it isn't as simple as that. I know this is a sweeping statement which will probably make me a target for the trouser tinkerers but I have yet to see a pair that convinced me. Either fake or converted 37 or 46.

With a pair of genuine jump trousers booking at around the three grand mark you would have to be a bit of a berk to jump in without researching first. As Luc rightly points out, money and time spent on research and reference are rarely wasted. Yes this hobby is becoming trickier but learning your stuff is half the fun. Many of those being duped have naively entered the market with the hope of making a killing Caveat emptor I say.

Guy.

[Kevan]

Well put Guy. Normally it is greed that fools the collector .

[lnijherald]

The Airborne trousers are another proposition entirely! Yes the majority of the parts are available to convert a pair of P37's to Airborne spec but it isn't as simple as that. I know this is a sweeping statement which will probably make me a target for the trouser tinkerers but I have yet to see a pair that convinced me. Either fake or converted 37 or 46.
Guy.

Guy, if these genuine parachutist trousers don't convince you, nothing will:
http://cgi.ebay.com/world-war-two-or...QQcmdZViewItem
Some sellers aren't even trying are they?
Cheers, Luc

[Guy]

Guy, if these genuine parachutist trousers don't convince you, nothing will:
http://cgi.ebay.com/world-war-two-or...QQcmdZViewItem
Some sellers aren't even trying are they?
Cheers, Luc

Luc I hear you mate.

Agreed Kev, you aren't supposed to be able to polish a turd but people keep trying. It really worries me when I see some of the mis described toss people buy having first deluded themselves into believing that they are in fact having it off. Well they say love is blind .

Yours, Guy.

[Kevan]

Those trousers are excellent! I'm off to make a bid .