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**Luftm40** · 09-25-2002, 05:33 AM

Most Luftwaffe badge collectors consider "Pfleuger and Voss" badges to be fakes. I'd like to hear all opinions though

**John Hodgin** · 09-25-2002, 07:40 AM

Dan,

Are you asking about everything in the book, or mainly the Pleuger and Voss badge? The contributors did a very good job of showing authentic militaria.

The jump smocks and gear (gloves, pads, and boots) are all authentic. There is some headgear I have have problems with, such as the subdued Luftwaffe decal, but that has already been discussed here on the Forum.

It's a good book.
Regards,
John

**Willi Z.** · 09-25-2002, 07:49 AM

Of course there are some small things which are probably postwar and some which are questionable. New information on items is always something all open minded collectors encourage, so once something is in print we learn new fatcs. But, compared to many other books.....the Luftwaffe Angolia series and some stuff out of Europe......

Somehow Dan, based on your prior comments, I think you are not here to do anything but to "stir it up"....so, why don't you begin? Most of us will be away for a few days.....

Willi

**SMP** · 09-25-2002, 10:11 AM

Subdued eagles

..regarding subdued eagles....was the final concensus that they were definately war-time produced but probably never war-time applied ?

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Steve

**Dan T** · 09-25-2002, 10:40 AM

Thanks for your comments.I did think the vast vast % of stuff in there was top drawer.I was only interested in the P and V badge as the book claimed it was the rarest.Would be very interested in opinions on authenticity.(No ulterior motive Mr Comet.For the record me and PK have shook hands).

**Jos L C** · 09-25-2002, 02:32 PM

Hi,
As a collector I can say that Pfleuger & Voss never made any flightbadges and maybe no badges at all IMO.
I've seen fake badges as the Observerbadge and the Luft ground assault tank badge that both had the Pfleuger & Voss mark on it.

Jos.

**Perry Floyd** · 09-26-2002, 10:40 AM

I think the concenses now is the subdued Luft. decals are post-war fantasy...rightly so in my opinion..
The new Schiffer helmet book has a couple of subdued decaled paras in it..Vol II pg. 258 and 259, pg. 29 and 30. I think from here on out your going to see a decline of these pictured in reference books...

**Willi Z.** · 09-30-2002, 08:19 PM

Hi Steve,

Yes, you are correct...the consesus is that the decals were wartime produced but not wartime applied to FJ helmets. Many of us discussed this issue at the Max. Those FJ helmets seem to have all come from the same 3 sources..all 3 were present at the Max. The green decal is very rare.........you find 1 per every 20 standard white ones. One look at one on it's original paper make it rather obvious they are wartime. Someone (we know who) found a whole sheet of these green ones. Collectors who have collected since the early 60's have seen these decals for a good 30 years or so. If reproduction, they would certainly not be rare to encounter.

Willi

**Perry Floyd** · 09-30-2002, 10:52 PM

If made during WWII why wouldn't they be applied? Especially so simple of a process to apply. What would have kept something like a decal from being applied? Especially since a whole sheet supposedly has turned up? I think it overwhelmingly points to post-war maufacture.

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