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    #16
    The identity of Sepp Allenberger

    Gents

    Interesting discussion...I personally would put "Sniper on the Eastern Front" in the same catergory as books like "Bravo Two Zero", that is largelly accurate, but with some episodes enhanced (perhaps by publishers or editors rather than the individual themselves) or "reconstructed" due to the vagaries of memory, old age, etc. I enjoyed the book very much, although it did seem that some episodes -which I don't for one minute dispute actually happened- had been sexed-up to read like a passage from Leo Kessler or Sven Hassell....

    The question of Allenberger's identity is an interesting one....in Martin Pegler's history of sniping "Out of Nowhere" there are quotations and passages which are clearly attributible to Allenberger being credited against a memoir of a German sniper named F**** K***** (I've protected his identity on this open forum in case he's still around and this is actually his real name) entitled "Im Auge Des Jaegers" which coincidentally was also edited by Albrecht Wacker.

    Confusingly, Pegler also makes reference to Allenberger in the same book as though Allenberger and K***** are indeed two different people. The possibilities are:

    Allenberger was the real name and K***** is a pseudonym.
    K***** is real, and used the pseudonym Allenberger.
    Allenberger and K***** were in fact two different men.
    Wacker's work is a composite of the memories of several German snipers, and both names are ficticious.

    To underline how sensitive a subject this is even today, the plate showing a German sniper's qualification certificate in Pegler's book (the illustration courtesy of Wacker) has the recipient's name blacked out as he was still alive at time of publication.

    The plot thickens.....

    All the best

    Paul.

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      #17
      Paul

      After reading about 75% of the book i agree with you. There is no doubt that some of the episodes are genuine, a lot of what is written is very similar in its barabrity to other memoirs ive read, through hell for hitler, blood red snow etc, etc. Yet i am sure that the author has used artistic license to emblish some accounts. Will finish the book tonight and so far this thread has the book down to a tee.
      Jonathan

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        #18
        I liked this book. Super fast read. Most likely true IMO.

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          #19
          Originally posted by pvluger View Post
          I liked this book. Super fast read. Most likely true IMO.
          Indeed it is, read most of it yesterday.

          Jonathan

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            #20
            An what about the mentioning of Sepp Allerberger in "The German Sniper"? The book was edited in early 80's I suppose, and it contains interviews with german snipers cithed from an "Austrian military publication from 1967". So the pseudonym "Sepp Allerberger" would have to be quite old, and have nothing to do with Wacker...

            BTW - "Sniper on the Eastern front" struck me with lots of VERY precise details, including accurate descriptions and feedback on german and russian sniper equipment and techniques

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              #21
              An what about the mentioning of Sepp Allerberger in "The German Sniper"? The book was edited in early 80's I suppose, and it contains interviews with german snipers cithed from an "Austrian military publication from 1967". So the pseudonym "Sepp Allerberger" would have to be quite old, and have nothing to do with Wacker...

              BTW - "Sniper on the Eastern front" struck me with lots of VERY precise details, including accurate descriptions and feedback on german and russian sniper equipment and techniques

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                #22
                Originally posted by Karol98k View Post
                An what about the mentioning of Sepp Allerberger in "The German Sniper"? The book was edited in early 80's I suppose, and it contains interviews with german snipers cithed from an "Austrian military publication from 1967". So the pseudonym "Sepp Allerberger" would have to be quite old, and have nothing to do with Wacker...

                BTW - "Sniper on the Eastern front" struck me with lots of VERY precise details, including accurate descriptions and feedback on german and russian sniper equipment and techniques
                Could it be then that Allerberger is indeed the correct name, and that when "Im Auge Des Jaegers" was published -which must be about Allerberger, given the almost word for word similarity in the accounts Pegler relates- then it's F**** K***** which is actually a pseudonym for Allerberger, and not the other way around?

                All the best

                Paul.

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                  #23
                  Allerberger was not a recipient of the RK.Official Bundesarchiv
                  documentation (Paper and radio signals)and the OdR files search
                  following have no trace of him ever having been awarded or decorated
                  in the field by his CO authorised or otherwise. (A fantasist!!)
                  As an individual he is mentioned with other snipers from the same unit
                  in training manuals.He is credited as #3 in the Wehrmacht in "Kills"
                  There are Russian claims for both male/female snipers with higher scores.
                  The "Ultimate" is a Finn on the Russian front with more than 500 and I
                  believe still alive in 2007.
                  Seiler (Yank in UK)

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                    #24
                    Seiler you mean Simo Hayha

                    hear is a link if any ones interested
                    http://mosinnagant.net/finland/simohayha.asp

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                      #25
                      But we're all in agreement that 'Sepp' in SotEF is not the Allerberger that Seiler mentions? This discussion is a fascinating post script to the book!
                      Jonathan

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Seiler View Post
                        Allerberger was not a recipient of the RK.Official Bundesarchiv
                        documentation (Paper and radio signals)and the OdR files search
                        following have no trace of him ever having been awarded or decorated
                        in the field by his CO authorised or otherwise. (A fantasist!!)
                        As an individual he is mentioned with other snipers from the same unit
                        in training manuals.He is credited as #3 in the Wehrmacht in "Kills"
                        There are Russian claims for both male/female snipers with higher scores.
                        The "Ultimate" is a Finn on the Russian front with more than 500 and I
                        believe still alive in 2007.
                        Seiler (Yank in UK)
                        Thanks Seiler -often good basic research can put an end to lots of speculation, as in this case. Is it worth me sending you the other sniper's name by PM to see if he's a listed RK winner?

                        All the best

                        Paul.

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                          #27
                          Yes,Simo.Over open sight,s??Had to lift his head.???
                          A Finnish politician I met had met and talked with him.
                          Very shy and retiring but all there.
                          Paul send me the Germans name.There were three named
                          in the Manual.Cant remember but the only RK,s was I think #2
                          Initial "R" same unit.
                          Seiler (Yank in UK)

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                            #28
                            Tried to post twice on this today ????
                            Reviewed records last night.
                            WW2 Sniper super stars.
                            Way down the list...German,

                            #1,Erwin Konig.....400 "kills"
                            2,Matthius Hertzenauer....345 RK 17.4.45 Gefr.,Scharfschutze 7/G JR 144
                            3,Heinz Thorvvald....300
                            4,"Sepp"Allerberger....257
                            5,Bruno Sutkus....209
                            Rest are trailing below 180,s
                            All were serving in 7/G JR 144 Most seem to be Eastern Front.
                            Allerberger is OFFICIAL listed name.
                            NO further RK,s awarded.
                            Cheers
                            Seiler (Yank in UK)

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                              #29
                              Seiler

                              Looks like mystery solved -Allerberger is the real name, then Franz Kramer is obviously the pseudonym Wacker gave Allerberger in "Auge Des Jaegers", as the the two men must be the same. Having never read "Auge Des Jaegers" I'm wondering if "Sniper on the Eastern Front" is a belated English translation, with Allerberger's name restored.

                              All the best

                              Paul.

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                                #30
                                Just finished reading Sniper on the Eastern Front and found it very graphic but gripping story.

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