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Yes, indeed... All of a sudden, without any provocation, they attacked Berlin, looting, raping and murdering. Oh wait, maybe they were even imagining things, that their country had been invaded, looted and their people had been raped and murdered by the Wehrmacht and the SS, who were actually struggling for world piece at the time! Such schizophrenic acts during peaceful times!Originally posted by birdie View PostNo way ever was I comparing the paratroopers to the looters, rapists, and murderers in Berlin.
As for the gallantry and honour of the German Paras...
http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/histor...tomari-297017/
Not liking the Soviets is one thing and each person is entitled to his/her own opinion, but putting logic aside in order to justify it, is another thing.
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There are always 2 sides of a story, and you know for sure the other side, what has happened BEFORE!Originally posted by stray_dog View PostComment
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Signed too , countries all over the world have graveyards from Armies who have occupied their country before . It would be a shame to see this topic go down the political correct road , all Armies/Countries have done deeds that they are not proud of but at least let the war dead have a fitting memorial .Comment
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I agree, The Political wing of the Nazi's were nasty, even in their own capital.
Originally posted by birdie View PostNo way ever was I comparing the paratroopers to the looters, rapists, and murderers in Berlin.Comment
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That's true. Does that mean that an armed force is entitled to execute tens of people like that? Did all of them take part in the killing of the Paras? No, they just had the guns and the numbers to do it, it's as simple as that, moral issues aside.Originally posted by Gran Sasso View Post
And yes, if an enemy lands on your roof, are you going to just sit there and watch him? Are you not going to defend your home?
I 'm just saying that terror is another weapon in the arsenal. Whoever doesn't see that, is just ignoring the nature of war itself.
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Quite true! And so many others before and after him!Originally posted by Thorsten B. View PostAlexander the Great and his actions come to mind.
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But none of those gets automaticly the same bad name as we germans. We are allways the most evil...Originally posted by stray_dog View PostComment
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None of us was there, but I can well imagine the feelings of young paras (kids as called in another post) when they found their comrades not only killed (this they had to expect) but murdered, slaugthered, tortured.Originally posted by stray_dog View Post
And then they got an order by an offc. telling them "we got those who did this" - of course most of the paras had no problem to take part at the execution.
The paras did not invade crete to fight the cretes, but the brits who were fleeing mainland greece, and made the bad decission not to go back all the way to egypt. BTW; why its ok for you that this foreign army comes to your land, but another not?
And then the brirts used the crete people as an additional weapon to fight the germans, telling stories, giving instructions, and so on. But nobody today blames the brits for their part of the story...
The execution took place not because the germans are evil from the start, but as an answer to actions done by civilians. Covered by the genevan land warfare rules.
Of course not all of the executors were guilty - only all germans are.
But this thread was started to help to safe a piece of histopry, not to start those endless duscussions agian, which will only leed to hot blood and the close of this important thread. If you wanna continue to discuss this, please at a new thread.
We all know better now what this memorial means today.Comment
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It is eye-opening for me to see so many different opinions expressed in this thread; many of which are deeply emotional. This is "our" collector forum of (what I thought) were like-minded persons who, above all, would be for the preservation of WWII-era historical items such as the FJ memorial.
If we have this many sharply divergent views among our group, I can only imagine that these divergent views (and many, many, other and additional points-of-view) will exist among the people of Crete as they decide the future of the memorial.Comment
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Nice job twisting words
Twist your own words not mine. The Russians looted raped and murdered at will in Berlin FACT...Therefore I am no fan of Russian memorials in Berlin. For you to twist my opinion to anything other than what I said is weak and dishonest. Your post justifies the actions of the the Russians. When did I EVER state the nazis were just and didn't commit war crimes? My original post stated clearly, I think it's up to those who suffered at the hands of foreign troops, to decide if they want memorials to them left standing. For you to twist it into some defense of the Russians actions, and suggest I'm an apologist for the nazis is again, dishonest and a flat out lie.Originally posted by stray_dog View PostComment
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You know that this is not the same with other monuments...not even with turkish monuments.Its other story (και ξερεις ακομα . υπαρχει και η αποζημιωση πολεμικη κτλ..)Originally posted by siton12 View PostComment
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If I took your comment out of context, I made a mistake and owe you an apology. Reading that post of yours appeared really one sided to me and as you said, apologist. Since we do unfortunately have some people of this bunch on board, I may have been too quick to judge you, but I think that such comments shouldn't be tolerated and that an immediate reaction is needed, if we don't want to become these peoples' playground.Originally posted by birdie View Post
Once more, please accept my sincere apologies. I wish I got an answer like yours, proving me wrong, each time I accused someone as an apologist.
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