Inheritance of my Grandfather

[W Petz]

Herbert,

Thank you for sharing your grand-fathers real life experiences through his photos of the war.

[PZIV]

Absolutely stunning. I can not help feeling a bit sad throughout, however. What a waste war is.

[SurvivingPanzer]

All I can say is

[Ostmark]

Just have seen that this thread is coming up again

Thanks for your nice comments

The beginning of the thread was changed because there where some discussions and my grandfather got blamed from TR militaria collectors ...
So i will not say that im proud, but i am happy that he survived
There was also a pic of is awards which also in my collection which i deleted ...

I have some news about his time as POW, because i found his release document 3 month ago, i will post next week, because currently on a business trip

Now i have a question:
Can somebody tell me where his unit (StugBattr 667) was fighting during
the war ..?

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Herbert, here is some info on your Grandad's unit.

Cheers, Ade.

<CENTER>Sturmgeschütz-Batterie 667</CENTER>
Jul 40 formation completed at Zinna and transferred to France shortly afterwards
end 40 transferred to Döberitz
22 Jun 41 XXVIII Corps, 16th Army, Army Group North
19 Jul 41 X Corps, 16th Army, Army Group North
20 Aug 41 XXVIII Corps, 16th Army, Army Group North
1 Oct 41 XXVIII Corps, 18th Army, Army Group North
21 Nov, 8 Dec 41, 2, 12, 26 Jan 42 XXVIII Corps, 18th Army, Army Group North
end of Mar 42 withdrawn back to Zinna and later became 1./Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 667


<CENTER>Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 667
Sturmgeschütz-Brigade 667 (14 Feb 44)
Heeres-Sturmartillerie-Brigade 667 (10 Jun 44)</CENTER>
28 Jun 42 formed at Jüterbog (WK III) from Sturmgschütz-Batterie 667 with four (initally, five) batteries
end of Jul 42 transferred to the Rzhev area of Russia
6 Aug 42 2./ attached to 1st Panzer Division, XXXIX Panzer Corps, 9th Army, Army Group Center
8 Aug 42 XXXIX Panzer Corps, 9th Army, Army Group Center
19 Oct 42 XXVIII Corps, 9th Army, Army Group Center
25 Nov 42 2./ assigned to XXXIX Panzer Corps, 9th Army, Army Group Center
[Glantz: Rzhev 11/42]
Jul 43 3. Batterie withdrawn and replaced
[Niehorster: 4 Jul 43, 4th Army, Army Group Center with 3 short-barrel and 28 long-barrel StuG III on-hand]
[Spielberger: two Panzer-Batteries of Pz II added 6/44; officially withdrawn 11/44]
Jul 44 almost wiped out during the Soviet summer offensive
Fall 44 remnants consolidated with remnants of Sturmgeschütz-Brigade 245 and rebuilt
Sep-Oct 44 the Netherlands, assigned to Kampfgruppe Chill
4 Dec 44 LXXXIV Corps, 7th Army, Army Group B
[Mackenzie: 12/44 6th Panzer Army, the Ardennes with 5 StuG IIIs]
[Mackenzie: XXXIX Panzer Corps, Alsace-Lorraine 1/45]
E 300 Neiße (WK VIII)
SE: Aug I 42; Aug I 44, upgrade; Oct I 44, withdraw
SF: Oct I 44; West, Replacement Pool, Add

[PZIV]

Ostmark,

Could you explain why you say you are not proud? Just curious.

Thanks,
Mansal

[Ostmark]

Ostmark,

Could you explain why you say you are not proud? Just curious.

Thanks,
Mansal

Hallo Mansal

As i mentioned i got problems when i said that i am proud of my grandfather ... and Adrian got some work ;-)) But thats an old story ...

PS: Of course i am proud what do you think, he survived 5 years of war ...

[evilmike]

thanks for posting the photos! great that they have survived to reach you!

[Ostmark]

Thanks for the info Adrian, when i am back home i will post another
unit which i detected in his Soldbook ...

My Grandfather was always talking about Rzhev there must be something happen that was impressing him very much ... not sure what.

[NOR_collector]

Thanks for posting the pictures and the stories.

/André

[Ostmark]

Hi Herbert, here is some info on your Grandad's unit.

Cheers, Ade.

<center>Sturmgeschütz-Batterie 667</center>
Jul 40 formation completed at Zinna and transferred to France shortly afterwards
end 40 transferred to Döberitz
22 Jun 41 XXVIII Corps, 16th Army, Army Group North
19 Jul 41 X Corps, 16th Army, Army Group North
20 Aug 41 XXVIII Corps, 16th Army, Army Group North
1 Oct 41 XXVIII Corps, 18th Army, Army Group North
21 Nov, 8 Dec 41, 2, 12, 26 Jan 42 XXVIII Corps, 18th Army, Army Group North
end of Mar 42 withdrawn back to Zinna and later became 1./Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 667


<center>Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 667
Sturmgeschütz-Brigade 667 (14 Feb 44)
Heeres-Sturmartillerie-Brigade 667 (10 Jun 44)</center>
28 Jun 42 formed at Jüterbog (WK III) from Sturmgschütz-Batterie 667 with four (initally, five) batteries
end of Jul 42 transferred to the Rzhev area of Russia
6 Aug 42 2./ attached to 1st Panzer Division, XXXIX Panzer Corps, 9th Army, Army Group Center
8 Aug 42 XXXIX Panzer Corps, 9th Army, Army Group Center
19 Oct 42 XXVIII Corps, 9th Army, Army Group Center
25 Nov 42 2./ assigned to XXXIX Panzer Corps, 9th Army, Army Group Center
[Glantz: Rzhev 11/42]
Jul 43 3. Batterie withdrawn and replaced
[Niehorster: 4 Jul 43, 4th Army, Army Group Center with 3 short-barrel and 28 long-barrel StuG III on-hand]
[Spielberger: two Panzer-Batteries of Pz II added 6/44; officially withdrawn 11/44]
Jul 44 almost wiped out during the Soviet summer offensive
Fall 44 remnants consolidated with remnants of Sturmgeschütz-Brigade 245 and rebuilt
Sep-Oct 44 the Netherlands, assigned to Kampfgruppe Chill
4 Dec 44 LXXXIV Corps, 7th Army, Army Group B
[Mackenzie: 12/44 6th Panzer Army, the Ardennes with 5 StuG IIIs]
[Mackenzie: XXXIX Panzer Corps, Alsace-Lorraine 1/45]
E 300 Neiße (WK VIII)
SE: Aug I 42; Aug I 44, upgrade; Oct I 44, withdraw
SF: Oct I 44; West, Replacement Pool, Add

Hi Ade

Following entry is in the Soldbook

Send from the Feldheer to H. Stug. Brigade 228
Any infos on that one ...?

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Herbert, here is what I have just found


<CENTER>Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 228
Sturmgeschütz-Brigade 228 (14 Feb 44)</CENTER>
Dec 42 formed at Treuenbrietzen (WK III)
4 Jul 43 III Panzer Corps, Armeeabteilung Kempf, Army Group South with 31 StuG III
31 Jul 43 18 vehicles operational and 14 under repair
[Newton: 24 Aug 43 attached to 6th Panzer Division, XLII Corps, 8th Army, Army Group South]
30 Aug 43 8th Army, with 4 StuGs ready for combat and 26 under repair
Fall 1943 rebuilding in West?
5 Jan 44 assigned to XXXXVII Panzer Corps, 8th Army, Army Group South, Kirovograd
10 Feb 44 XI Corps, 8th Army, Korsun Pocket
2 May 44 4th Romanian Army reserve, Army Group South Ukraine
28-29 May 44 attached to 1st Romanian Infantry Division, V Romanian Corps, 4th Romanian Army, Army Group South Ukraine
20 Aug 44 IV Corps, 4th Romanian Army, Army Group South Ukraine
1945 8th Army, Army Group South, Slovakia
9 May 45 Heeresgruppe Ostmark, Army Group South
E 300 (Neiße, WK VIII)
SE: Dec I 42; Jul I 44, upgrade

Cheers, Ade.

[The Sorrow]

Nice pictures, its nice to see that that generationa is still being remembered... since most of them have now moved on, people tend to forget..

[DavidB]

Hello,

What a great thread! Fantastic photos of nice Stug tanks, but also very nice pictures from the everyday life in battle.

I for one would love to see a photo of his awards, if you feel that it is appropriate to post them again.
Or at least a list of which awards he was awarded..

Best regards,
David

[PanzerJager1944]

It’s always great to see family collections like this, they are a true treasure. I hope future generations of your family will hold these fantastic items in the reverence you do. I am sure your grandfather would be proud you are keeping his memory alive, I have found with most vets I know their one fear is being forgotten along with their sacrifices. Thanks for sharing your family’s treasure!

Kind regards,