who makes good brown wool m44 tunics and m44 hosen?

[corporalSteiner]

brown is brown.
this is an example of a tunic from the forum, the owner escapes me for now-the point is to remind us of what the colour brown should look like.
brown wool is not grey/brown wool. it is the colour of brown things like this tunic.

[Hoss]

-a further quick point, eric-have you seen these trousers in hand or bought a pair? wearing original isnt too bad...but dont tell anyone, right!

The m44,s no, I did a search for you and saw them. Your right, I don't see a beauty pair anywhere on the internet.
Corp I also think the stocking various sizes excuse is lame. Gents like Rick would make any size to order.

Cheers
Eric

[corporalSteiner]

There is not enough demand for the M44 tunics and trousers to make it financially feasible to produce them in a garment factory here in the US. If we could get a solid, prepaid order for at least 50 sets, then we can think about it.

Developing the patterns can take weeks of work, hours and hours of time for the patternmakers.

Then we need to make a decision about how many of and what sizes of jackets need to be made. Five 44 regulars? or ten 40 longs? two 48 shorts? Trouser sizes? 32 x 30? 36 x 32? How many of each should be made? Which sizes sell the best for this model? We don't know because few guys have asked for them. If we make ten 40 longs and then most guys need 44 regulars, we're stuck with product that doesn't sell.

Product that doesn't sell means a big investment that is not returning anything: The materials alone for a German wool jacket using good quality European-milled wool can approach $100. Then add the cost of labor and overhead of at least $20/hr at 8 hours of labor per jacket, and you can see the problem.

So it just wouldn't make any money. That's why no one is making the M44 stuff.

simple answer-forget the us. commission them to be made elsewhere.
the problem is there are collectors and dealers.
dealers dont often know what collectors do.
and dealers need to have a better eye.
here this thread is providing a free service to dealers to wake up and see what they are missing. and to remind them, the colour is brown.

[corporalSteiner]

shown here are waf member galizien's m44pants. the repros seem to have copied the real style quite well, huh?

[corporalSteiner]

these panst are not rocket science to make. the tunics either. just do it in brown, brown, brown...stop faffing about.
more view of originals for comparison to the repro m44 pants shown earlier.

[n160]

Well, are you going to fork over the money to pay for the minimum run of wool in oliv-braun? Most mills, even in the land of cheap Chinese uniforms, demand a 500 meter minimum. It's not like you can call woolrich and get 3 yards made. That's the reason no one is jumping at your demand.

[4th division]

If you're a bit handy you can make a set out of a set of 1949 pattern battledress. At least that's what I did a few years ago!

[jonni]

I would recommend ANTZ. Chinese, but really good quality – for small money. Better then most of the other dealers from Asia. Their M44 jacket is really nice. The colour is a nice brownish field-grey.

Link to the M44 jacket:
http://www.antzmilitary.com/index.ph...product_id=104

A picture with the different shades of wool offered by ANTZ:
http://antzmilitary.com/image/data/DSC_9455.jpg

ANTZ also makes M44 trousers – at the moment they are not listed in the shop, I hope he will do, but I know he has them – you can buy them via STEPHAN, but they are too expensive – link:

http://cgi.ebay.de/Hose-M44-Wollhose...item20b860e39c

[corporalSteiner]

thanks very much for the link! dont like the idea of paying more through the german dealer though....and i dont get a previous claim of 'brown cloth runs are too expensive'....find a way and get this simple thing done, end of story.

[pirschen]

hello corporalSteiner
you show two pairs of M44 trousers, the one is made of Italian wool, the other is made of feldgrau 42 wool.
pls see the photo:

the left to right,the first one is a feldgrau 36 wool M36 tunic, the 2nd one is an Italian wool M42 tunic,the 3rd one is a feldgrau M42 tunic,the 4th one is a feldgrau 44 jacket.
hope this can help you
have a nice day
Chen

[PaulW]

Hi corporalSteiner, I feel your pain! I have one of Chen's (Pirschen/ Ant-Z) M44 jackets in his late-war wool (brownish tinged feld-grau). It's not as brown as you are searching for sadly. As you probably know a wide variety of cloths and colours were used in the M44 jackets, including re-cycled Russian uniforms, hence the brown varieties. I am waiting for Chen to do another run of his dark green 'Italian cloth' (rumour has it this year) so that I can buy one of his M44's (and M43's....) in that cloth.

Chen - the Italian cloth jacket you show looks great - any update on another run of that cloth this year?

[corporalSteiner]

thanks to everyone for adding to this thread. whoever is behind the current repro tunics must be commended. but please please please....go the extra centimeter and start producing truly brown wool m44 tnic and pants. Please. no more grey ones. get the bolts dyed. thanks in advance.
oh-can we see moreof italian wool m42 please pirschen?

[DennyB]

What size do you wear Steiner? I have a pair of M-44 trousers made by Janke in the 80s that is made of the greenish-olive drab color. The size markings are:
85 99
117 116

I would say maybe size 36 in American size. I don't currently have a camera or I would post a pick of them. Are you coming to the Show of Shows in February? I could bring them there so you could have a in hand inspection of them.