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**DennyB** · 06-21-2011, 01:50 PM

Try some of the Chinese dealers selling reproductions on eBay. I have seen some that looked pretty good in the pics.

**corporalSteiner** · 06-21-2011, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by DennyB View Post

Try some of the Chinese dealers selling reproductions on eBay. I have seen some that looked pretty good in the pics.

hey dennyb thanks-
id really appreciate a name or two-----and confirmation these industrious chaps make m44 pants too!!
any names would be a great start. all appreciated though.

**corporalSteiner** · 06-23-2011, 01:48 PM

whats stunning here is that no one so far has given a sold link to a brown wool m44 vendor-i mean brown, not the so called brown wool that isnt brown.
i challenge anyone to name me a vendor other than janke that currently sells modern made brown wool m44 tunics and m44 pants to a high standard.
i guess if nobody continues to add solid info, this vacuum should serve as a clarion call to sweep a manufacturer with foresight instantly into action to fill this absolutely implausable void.

**corporalSteiner** · 06-23-2011, 01:53 PM

so again, will some one please start making genuine brown wool repro m44 tunics and pants. it isnt rocket science and only takes a bit of foresight. the simplest items in the heer wardrobe, so no need to cut corners at all. just please, someone, step up to the plate and get those sewing machines rolling.

**leibermuster** · 06-23-2011, 04:52 PM

Why no get a set of M44's and overdye them brown yourself. Part of the fun of the hobby is having something unique.

**corporalSteiner** · 06-24-2011, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by leibermuster View Post

Why no get a set of M44's and overdye them brown yourself. Part of the fun of the hobby is having something unique.

mmm...good idea-but dying something grey brown-does that leave you with a desired colour? a white tunic dyed brown, fair enough...but dying grey a brown colour = dirty grey, or?

i still maintain i am right to be utterly incredulous as to the complete apparent lack of effort by reenactor suppliers to get a brown m44 and m44 pants set out there...
i think maybe more people than i have grown weary of one particular us vendor's regular rants...one minute they're making a run of something, the next minute theyre not...people like them, who profess to such worldly wisdom need to realise what isnt out there...anyone can get a fair decent m42 or m43...so why bother going down that road?
roll up your sleeves, take a deep breath of clean air, and realise the world is waiting for plain brown wool m44 tunics and the corresponding pants. stop ranting and just get working, for pete's sake. there-totally cost free market research info.

**corporalSteiner** · 06-24-2011, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by leibermuster View Post

Why no get a set of M44's and overdye them brown yourself. Part of the fun of the hobby is having something unique.

thanks again, but another problem here is the m44 pants--tell me where i can get a pair and i may take you up on the 'hey man, relax and dye them' option.

**vbergman1** · 06-25-2011, 09:51 AM

There is not enough demand for the M44 tunics and trousers to make it financially feasible to produce them in a garment factory here in the US. If we could get a solid, prepaid order for at least 50 sets, then we can think about it.

Developing the patterns can take weeks of work, hours and hours of time for the patternmakers.

Then we need to make a decision about how many of and what sizes of jackets need to be made. Five 44 regulars? or ten 40 longs? two 48 shorts? Trouser sizes? 32 x 30? 36 x 32? How many of each should be made? Which sizes sell the best for this model? We don't know because few guys have asked for them. If we make ten 40 longs and then most guys need 44 regulars, we're stuck with product that doesn't sell.

Product that doesn't sell means a big investment that is not returning anything: The materials alone for a German wool jacket using good quality European-milled wool can approach $100. Then add the cost of labor and overhead of at least $20/hr at 8 hours of labor per jacket, and you can see the problem.

So it just wouldn't make any money. That's why no one is making the M44 stuff.

**corporalSteiner** · 06-25-2011, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by vbergman1 View Post

There is not enough demand for the M44 tunics and trousers to make it financially feasible to produce them in a garment factory here in the US. If we could get a solid, prepaid order for at least 50 sets, then we can think about it.

Developing the patterns can take weeks of work, hours and hours of time for the patternmakers.

Then we need to make a decision about how many of and what sizes of jackets need to be made. Five 44 regulars? or ten 40 longs? two 48 shorts? Trouser sizes? 32 x 30? 36 x 32? How many of each should be made? Which sizes sell the best for this model? We don't know because few guys have asked for them. If we make ten 40 longs and then most guys need 44 regulars, we're stuck with product that doesn't sell.

Product that doesn't sell means a big investment that is not returning anything: The materials alone for a German wool jacket using good quality European-milled wool can approach $100. Then add the cost of labor and overhead of at least $20/hr at 8 hours of labor per jacket, and you can see the problem.

So it just wouldn't make any money. That's why no one is making the M44 stuff.

i appreciate your interest and detailed reply.
that said, this item i shall continue to believe is quite within the means of many makers to include in their remit.
i can forget some vendors it seems, from god's country-as i say, huge new releases are regularly trumpeted, then the blues harp gets played coz stuff aint gonna be ready....some of its an art form, like greek tragedy. or frustrated journalism. i understand this kind of fever, but ultimately it can be disregarded as hot air-ie a rant that it is.
so, with some genuine sympathy over the us-based costs for such a venture, i turn to other manufacturing bases...
and say this...
there are many firms, with european bases, who could and should be venturing down brown m44 territory.
you should be aware i believe there is a need for such an item, and a need to bypass us-vendors' multiple herniaed objections...
after all the m44 is the simplest of hitler's 39-45 combat fashion range.
the simple thing is you need to study and copy the m44 pant-of which there are several examples here.
you need to use brown wool, and get going.
we will continue to see many fake items made for the reenactor. many of these items are so terrible in design and quality, that i wouldnt want to give them to a dog to chew, not that i like dogs...
so i continue to maintain it is a lack of vision not a burden of logistical opposition, that until now keeps the collector from being able to buy a no nonsense m44 set in brown wool.
i hope we may see on this thread some'can do's' as well as 'nope, that dog just aint gonna hunt's.'
the day we can see someone with a bit of energy and forethought get these things rolling, and for sale, is the day everyone can agree, 'yup, its Miller time.'

**Hoss** · 06-25-2011, 11:47 AM

Corp
Most reenactors like to wear early gear for that been in from the beginning grunt look. Also, their impression will be good for any wartime scenario.
Some guys might like it for a late war Russian front gig but means extra expenditure.
I remember Rick at Great War wanted to start making any model TR uniform years ago but I believe the cost outlay was too much with bolts of wool from Europe.
You may have to find someone to make a good quality one off.

ww2-uniforms.com sell M44 hosen (89 bucks) but you get what you pay for.

Psst I wore original 36 but don't tell anyone.

Good Luck
Eric

**corporalSteiner** · 06-25-2011, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Hoss View Post

Corp
Most reenactors like to wear early gear for that been in from the beginning grunt look. Also, their impression will be good for any wartime scenario.
Some guys might like it for a late war Russian front gig but means extra expenditure.
I remember Rick at Great War wanted to start making any model TR uniform years ago but I believe the cost outlay was too much with bolts of wool from Europe.
You may have to find someone to make a good quality one off.

ww2-uniforms.com sell M44 hosen (89 bucks) but you get what you pay for.

Psst I wore original 36 but don't tell anyone.

Good Luck
Eric

thanks a lot, eric
i actually believe reinactors like to spread their items...and cover all war areas, so m43, i agree. but i also think m44 would be a certain success. but brown wool.
the trouble is no one seems to have the gonads to get going with them. and excuses are ten a penny.
the ardennes campaign elicits much interest. m44 fits here.
also 45 campaign, holland, germany...czec...
half the probem is groups dont push such scenarios, and get stuck in a rut.
in my opinion, dealers seem content to be middlemen and push the standard grey made m44s..
they dont go back to the manufacturer-wherever they may be-and say. 'hey, jack, can you do a run in brown...and oh, here is a design, make the pants with the pocket flaps, two back pockets, diff belt loops...leg ends...'
no one seems to be being a customer here-after all as i say most dealers are middle men for the stuff made elsewhere-the ecconomy range items...
if only someone sat down in front of their breakfast cereal/grill and said-right im going to contact my supplier and suggest he do it in a brown wool-thats all it needs.
i dont have much faith in these grand plans some reinactor suppliers have to make every size tunic there was...ive watched these recent stories grow and grow and grow and then collapse.
ive seen firms say they are going to make a web ystrap..then come out with the wrong ones and say the right ones wont be out for ages, and when they arrive, they wont be matching web colour...but a nice mixture, just like they were originally....sure, there could be a mix in real sets...but god knows what mix ratio the eventual repro ones will be-if they ever see the light of day.
so, after a while, i just stop checking such sites...i sympathise with their problems, nonethesame.
so-i still maintain it is time for dealers to give feedback to their suppliers-brown is what should be going down in the m44 department.
m44 trousers and m44 tunics in brown.
stop thinking up reasons why it isnt possible.

**corporalSteiner** · 06-25-2011, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Hoss View Post

Corp
Most reenactors like to wear early gear for that been in from the beginning grunt look. Also, their impression will be good for any wartime scenario.
Some guys might like it for a late war Russian front gig but means extra expenditure.
I remember Rick at Great War wanted to start making any model TR uniform years ago but I believe the cost outlay was too much with bolts of wool from Europe.
You may have to find someone to make a good quality one off.

ww2-uniforms.com sell M44 hosen (89 bucks) but you get what you pay for.

Psst I wore original 36 but don't tell anyone.

Good Luck
Eric

-a further quick point, eric-have you seen these trousers in hand or bought a pair? wearing original isnt too bad...but dont tell anyone, right!

**corporalSteiner** · 06-25-2011, 02:50 PM

i include some pics of the items hoss has tipped us, from the firm ww2 uniforms.com. i have no connection with them, this is for research purposes only.
any reactions to the trousers as shown? are pocket placements seemingly right? do you like the accuracy?
i still dont get why makers are using grey-brown wool.
for pete's sake, go for brown wool as in brown.

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**corporalSteiner** · 06-25-2011, 02:52 PM

more pics from what looks like a firm who doesnt stop trying to excel in making every third reich uniform that ever existed. (please how about heer pe shorts!!!)
judging from what i have seen, i would imagine s&m wholesale would be the only firm able to make problem-free brown m44 tunics and m44 trousers-this is based on their strength in making repro items like drillich hbt reed green work sets, etc, which no one else did to that standard. if anyone knows these gents, put in the word.

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