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    Germany still paying off £50million in reparations following World War One
    By Allan Hall
    Last updated at 1:38 AM on 03rd December 2009

    Germany is still paying off £50million of the 'reparations' demanded from it after the end of First World War.
    The German Finance Agency, its authority on debt management, said tens of millions of euros are still being transferred to private individuals holding debenture bonds as agreed under the Treaty of Versailles signed on June 28, 1919.
    The bonds were issued at the time to investors.
    Delegates gather in the hall during the signing of the Treaty of Versailles

    Delegates gather in the hall in the Trianon during the signing of the Treaty of Versailles, a peace treaty that officially ended World War I in June 1919
    'The still-open contract for interest and amortisation payments is around €56 million,' said spokesman Boris Knapp.
    'That is the debt that is still outstanding from all those years ago but Germany will make good on it.'
    The news that modern-day Germany is still in debt for one world war that laid the foundations for the next was revealed by the agency after a written request by a newspaper.
    With the signing of the Versailles accord Germany accepted blame for the war which cost nine million men their lives.
    Article 231 of the peace treaty the so-called 'war guilt' clause - declared Germany and Austria-Hungary responsible for all 'loss and damage' suffered by the Allies during the war and provided the basis for reparations.
    The treaty was despised by Germans and seized upon by the Nazis to foster a feeling of victimhood among their followers.
    Palace of Versailles

    Crowds outside the Palace of Versailles awaiting the signal that the peace treaty had been signed
    The initial sum agreed upon for war damages in 1919 was 226 billion Reichsmarks, a sum later reduced to 132 billion. In sterling at the time this was the equivalent of some 24 billion pounds.
    France, which had been ravaged by war – its farmlands devastated by battles, industries laid waste and some three million men dead – pushed hardest for the steepest possible fiscal punishment for Germany.
    The principal representative of the British Treasury at the Paris Peace Conference, John Maynard Keynes, resigned in June 1919 in protest at the scale of the demands, warning correctly that it was stoking the fires for another war in the future.
    'Germany will not be able to formulate correct policy if it cannot finance itself,' he warned.
    When the Wall Street Crash came in 1929, the Weimar Republic – Germany’s first and only democracy until after the defeat of Nazism in 1945 – spiraled into debt.
    German infantrymen

    German infantrymen dig trenches in norther France during World War One
    What the Bank of England calls ‘quantitative easing’ now was started in Germany with the printing of money to pay off the war debt, triggering inflation to the point where ten billion marks would not even buy a loaf of bread.
    Up until 1952 Germany had paid some 1.5 billion marks in war reparations to Allied countries.
    But in 1953 the balance was suspended pending a reunification of East and West Germany.
    On October 3, 1990, the old debts went into effect again with 20 years for payment. Germany plans to pay off its World War I debts by October 3, next year.



    http://www.dailymail.co.uk

    #2
    Are there any debts to pay for ww2?
    england paid final payments for there lend lease debts to america a couple of years ago, although russia has not paid a penny!!!!

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      #3
      Really it is trash. WW1 really was not Germany or Austro- Hungary fault at all.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Finnishlion178 View Post
        Really it is trash. WW1 really was not Germany or Austro- Hungary fault at all.
        An interesting point of view. Please enlighten us to who actually caused it? The Serbs?

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          #5
          Originally posted by Hobnail View Post
          An interesting point of view. Please enlighten us to who actually caused it? The Serbs?

          I'll take a stab at this being a student of the war.

          No country started the war, some Serbian Nationalists gave cause for a localized war. It can be said that Austria kicked off a localized war but blame can be put on France for mobilizing (An act of war in itself at the time) to invade Germany and England for entering the war causing it to become at a later point what we know as WW1.

          Germany was most guilty for simply prosecuting the war on a more successful level and for doing what was most militarily prudent but in no way started the war.
          Russia needlessly mobilized as well and invaded Germany when the Kaiser had pleaded with the Czar not to mobilize.

          In the end it was Britain that caused the WWI to become a slaughter house. The war and why it was fought was all about economics and what each country could gain. Clearly every nation had something to gain by winning and they all threw in their bets.



          William

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            #6
            Well, Placeofbayonets said it all. There is nothing more I could say.

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              #7
              and the Yanks finished it!

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                #8
                nicely put william

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DennyB View Post
                  and the Yanks finished it!
                  Heh, yanks should have stayed home, Wilson opened up a real can of worms.
                  Because the war lasted longer then it otherwise would have with U.S. Aid and direct intervention the Kaiser was forced to abdicate and that led the way for Hitler to come to power. That led to the defeat of Germany and it's former Ally Russia and the Communists enslaving about 60% of Europe for decades.

                  And it was Russia that turned the middle east into an armed camp that we are still dealing with today.

                  William

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by PlaceOfBayonets View Post
                    I'll take a stab at this being a student of the war.

                    No country started the war, some Serbian Nationalists gave cause for a localized war. It can be said that Austria kicked off a localized war but blame can be put on France for mobilizing (An act of war in itself at the time) to invade Germany and England for entering the war causing it to become at a later point what we know as WW1.

                    Germany was most guilty for simply prosecuting the war on a more successful level and for doing what was most militarily prudent but in no way started the war.
                    Russia needlessly mobilized as well and invaded Germany when the Kaiser had pleaded with the Czar not to mobilize.

                    In the end it was Britain that caused the WWI to become a slaughter house. The war and why it was fought was all about economics and what each country could gain. Clearly every nation had something to gain by winning and they all threw in their bets.



                    William

                    Reading this you seem to imply that the causes of the war lie at the feet of Britain and France. While the causes are lengthy and complex the bottom line is that Germany invaded Belgium on 04th August 1914. That is a fact that can not be altered. As Britain had an alliance with Belgium they had no choice but to declare war. If Germany had not executed the Schlieffen plan then war between Britain and Germany would have been avoided.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Hobnail View Post
                      Reading this you seem to imply that the causes of the war lie at the feet of Britain and France. While the causes are lengthy and complex the bottom line is that Germany invaded Belgium on 04th August 1914. That is a fact that can not be altered. As Britain had an alliance with Belgium they had no choice but to declare war. If Germany had not executed the Schlieffen plan then war between Britain and Germany would have been avoided.
                      France was mobilizing to invade Germany. Unless you think the French planned to invade Spain?
                      Yes the causes are complex. Belgium could have allowed German forces to cross their country un molested but they chose not to. That was Belgium's choice not Germany's. The British government deliberated weather or not to enter. Treaties did not matter for squat as we saw many of the "secret" treaties were ignored when national interest did not square with them. I don't have at my finger tips the details of the secret treaties but for example some of the combatants had treaties that contridicted treaties they already had or had that were public information.

                      France mobilized signaling their intent to invade Germany. Germany invaded Belgium to attack France but Belgium had the choice not to take part. They chose war rather then diplomatic solutions as the Germans were engaged in diplomatic talks with the Belgians for free passage and were offering Belgium incentives. But whatever that was the right of the Belgiums and their call to make.

                      England sent it's troops after Belgium had been invaded but for no other reason then to make sure the sun never set on the British Empire as it had been for so long.

                      Once England came in the war started to go global by bringing in troops from England's colonies and then from former colonies.

                      But as I said no country started the war but as you see England caused it to go global it's actions caused a local war to become the Great war with the high death counts.

                      W.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by PlaceOfBayonets View Post
                        France was mobilizing to invade Germany. Unless you think the French planned to invade Spain?
                        Yes the causes are complex. Belgium could have allowed German forces to cross their country un molested but they chose not to. That was Belgium's choice not Germany's. The British government deliberated weather or not to enter. Treaties did not matter for squat as we saw many of the "secret" treaties were ignored when national interest did not square with them. I don't have at my finger tips the details of the secret treaties but for example some of the combatants had treaties that contridicted treaties they already had or had that were public information.

                        France mobilized signaling their intent to invade Germany. Germany invaded Belgium to attack France but Belgium had the choice not to take part. They chose war rather then diplomatic solutions as the Germans were engaged in diplomatic talks with the Belgians for free passage and were offering Belgium incentives. But whatever that was the right of the Belgiums and their call to make.

                        England sent it's troops after Belgium had been invaded but for no other reason then to make sure the sun never set on the British Empire as it had been for so long.

                        Once England came in the war started to go global by bringing in troops from England's colonies and then from former colonies.

                        But as I said no country started the war but as you see England caused it to go global it's actions caused a local war to become the Great war with the high death counts.

                        W.

                        Another brillant post. It boils down to it was Belgium's fault for not letting the German army march through. Excellent take on history there W. Name one country that would let a neighboring country's army march trhough it to attack another one with having a previous defense treaty allowing for it. Britain had a treaty with Belgium for mutual defense. Blame the victim, easy to do.

                        All sides had treaties that automatically kicked in as things escalated. Once mobilization began there was very little that any of them could do. Bad politics all the way around. Historically speaking, the Kaiser was reluctant to go to war for a Balkan bruhaha but honored his obligations as did the leaders of France, Russia, Britain, and eventually 100+ other countries.

                        I guess it was America's fault the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor too.


                        And it was Poland's fault that the Nazis attacked them.



                        A new form of revisionist history. Your posts never cease to amaze me. Must be them contrails again spraying those mind altering drugs.
                        pseudo-expert

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                          #13
                          We all know what will happen if I respond to your trolling Don so I won't.

                          W.

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                            #14
                            Thanks for the email W. It failed to explain how little ol Belgium is at fault for being invaded by the Germans though.
                            pseudo-expert

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                              #15
                              Now if we could only get the UK to pay the billions in war debt they still owe the US from WW1. And from WW2 for that matter. They just finished paying back what they borrowed AFTER the war to rebuild their economy, they haven't started paying the war loans yet.
                              Steve

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