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    #16
    Originally posted by DaveNZ View Post
    One U boot ace, Cremer maybe? cant remember. well he sunk a german ship once by mistake
    Wow. He would have been real popular back home!

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      #17
      Hi
      German FLAK shoot down their own plane during the early stage of the war in Norway where I live. It was among the first cortmarshal here too.

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        #18
        I know there been a lot of troubles when Romania left Axis and decided to go with Allied both sides had the same airplanes when the Luftwaffe took the control over the romanian sky lose many fighters for this reason

        LuftwaffeAsse

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          #19
          I was digging around a P38 Lightning where a farmer seen it go down. He also told me of a German Fighter that went down also on his property. A German Flak downed the German Fighter and the pilot crash landed. He was so pissed off he got out of the plane shooting his sidearm at the crew of the flak gun. He was restrained in a rage.
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            #20
            I would be pissed too!

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              #21
              Friendly fire of all types happens all the time in war (up to 20% in some places in the pacific in WW2 for US troops), and still happens a lot today. See the 5 canadians KIA in Afganistan, or the Brit fighter shot down by US troops early in GW2.

              JL

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                #22
                There is great gun camera footage showing an F-6F Hellcat shooting down a Japanese plane and then right in the middle slides in another Hellcat, right into the line of fire, and begins to hammer away at the enemy plane. Surely it happened.

                Bob

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                  #23
                  There was a program on the History Channel a few nights ago about a massed attack on an American base in Belguim and it was so secret that some German flak units weren't notified about this attack and when a formation of German planes flew over they opened fire on them shooting down several of the german planes. i believe it was the last mass German attack of the war. The American base just had an "H-something" number

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                    #24
                    I have read cases where American fighter escorts would stay just beyond the range of the guns on the bombers because some gunners would get trigger happy at the sight of any fighters that came close to them.
                    I can see in the heat of battle cases of "friendly fire" can happen on the ground and in the air on all sides.

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                      #25
                      I remember seeing TV show in which P51 Mustang pilots talked about going into a fast dive and firing their weapons only to be hit by the bullets they shot as they came out of their dive. I don't know if anyone ever shot themselves down or not, but it sounds like the basis of a Monty Python skit.

                      They also talked about going too fast into a dive and their wings ripping off. What they did not realize was that the wings were coming off as they hit the speed of sound and broke the sound barrier.
                      Cheers!
                      Marc

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                        #26
                        "P51 Mustang pilots talked about going into a fast dive and firing their weapons only to be hit by the bullets they shot as they came out of their dive."


                        I dont know how that would be physically possible...

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                          #27
                          They also talked about going too fast into a dive and their wings ripping off. What they did not realize was that the wings were coming off as they hit the speed of sound and broke the sound barrier.
                          Cheers!

                          if there wings ripped off and they went through the sound barrier how did they survive?? just wondering!!!

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by PaulR View Post
                            "P51 Mustang pilots talked about going into a fast dive and firing their weapons only to be hit by the bullets they shot as they came out of their dive."


                            I dont know how that would be physically possible...
                            The show was the P51 episode of Wings I believe. They interviewed pilots from the war and this happened according to one of them.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by paddywhack View Post
                              They also talked about going too fast into a dive and their wings ripping off. What they did not realize was that the wings were coming off as they hit the speed of sound and broke the sound barrier.
                              Cheers!

                              if there wings ripped off and they went through the sound barrier how did they survive?? just wondering!!!
                              As they approached the speed of sound the vibration on the wings would have caused them to rip off. THe speed of sound is lower at high altitudes. Same show as mentioned above. Straight out of the vets mouth. We know they wouldn't exaggerate now don't we????

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                                #30
                                Here is a link that provides some info I mentioned above:

                                http://www.princeton.edu/~stengel/MAE331Lecture13.pdf

                                See page 4 bottom right. While a jet aircraft did it also, it also happened with Mustangs. I'll see if I can't find the show info to back up what I said above.

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