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    What do real 60 year old blood stains look like: reference thread.

    There are regularly debates in several parts of the forum regarding wether a certain unknown stain is blood or not.
    I would like this thread to serve as a reference of real, 60 year old blood stained items. That way we can see all the different appearences that blood can take, depending on how much there is, the background color, etc.

    Anybody is free to participate, but the item must be undisputably blood stained: either because of obvious battle damage to it, or either because of solid provenance.
    New blood stains, random stains that could or could not be blood (including on battle damaged items that may have been damaged without being worn), "blood etched"/rusty guns, etc, are not welcome on this thread.<o></o>
    Also, try to keep the thread informative. Post if you have an interesting picture or fact to share. Dont post just to say "this is morbid", or something.
    The item has to be "the real deal" to be posted.
    Maybe some things that look like blood stains, but are not blood stains for sure could also be posted for reference.

    I have no blood stained items in my collection, but found this photo of archiduke Franz Ferdinands tunic, that he was wearing when he was shot in Sarajevo in 1914.
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    I have often heard about "blood etched" weapons: supposedly, blood would cause damage to guns, bayonets, etc, in very short time for some reason. After cutting myself once, I put some blood on a piece of K98 I had sitting around. I left the blood in place for something like one year before cleaning it off: the piece of rifle was completely unchanged, and there was no way to tell there had ever been blood on it.
    Conclusion: "blood etched" weapon=rusty weapon trying to sound more exciting in my opinion.

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      Originally posted by Jean-Loup View Post
      I have often heard about "blood etched" weapons: supposedly, blood would cause damage to guns, bayonets, etc, in very short time for some reason. After cutting myself once, I put some blood on a piece of K98 I had sitting around. I left the blood in place for something like one year before cleaning it off: the piece of rifle was completely unchanged, and there was no way to tell there had ever been blood on it.
      Conclusion: "blood etched" weapon=rusty weapon trying to sound more exciting in my opinion.
      Good experiment. Too bad you can't try it for 60 years! But really, it sheds light on those people willing to say anything to sell an item.

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        Here are some pictures sent to me by Peter U. Here are his comments: "Bloodstained tunic of the Mai 1940 periode, pictures taken in the Belgian army museum."

        This tunic looks quite impressive, and interestingly has almost identical collar patches as Franz Ferdinands tunic...
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          Closer up view
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            And even closer...
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              Hello,

              Thanks JL for posting the images.

              This is a tunic on display in the Belgian national army museum in Brussels.
              It is a tunic that was worn by a Belgian officer (kapitein-commandant) from a lancers regiment he got wounded in Zwijndrecht (Belgium).
              He survived this wound.
              Also look at the medalbars he is a WW1 vetran.

              Cheers,
              Peter

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                An other picture sent to me by Peter U:
                "Bloodstained saddle of general Durutte, Waterloo 1815. Also Belgian army museum Brussels."
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                  Hello,

                  This is the saddle of the French general Durutte on display in the Belgian army museum in Brussels.
                  He was the commanding general of the French 4th infantery division during the battle of Waterloo.
                  When his division gave way in the evening of the June 18th 1815 he was caught up by the 4th British cavalry brigade.
                  One of the troopers cut of his right hand afterwards he was hit in the face by another sword blow.
                  He survived his wounds and died peacefully in 1827 Ypres (Belgium).

                  Cheers,
                  Peter

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                    #10
                    I have this greatcoat,found in the eighties in Bullange-Bullingen in Ardennes area.In the german part of Belgium.

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                            Bouyou, I am affraid that would qualify as rat and mouse damage, not battle damage. Also, please only post photos showing blood stains to keep the thread on tracks.
                            Here is an other photo sent by Peter U showing the inside of a WW1 belgian tunic that he has.
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                              It's like you want J-P,but inside of the greatcoat is also damaged,but when I take that pics,I don't take one of inside.Not before thursday.
                              Les d******233;gats sont plus parlants quand tu as la capote en main,sur photo ******231;a rend tr******232;s mal.Mais je vais pas insist******233; non plus.

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