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**alessio cammelli** · 10-16-2007, 03:09 PM

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**alessio cammelli** · 10-16-2007, 03:11 PM

urka!!! my post n. 400!!!!

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**tgn** · 10-16-2007, 05:48 PM

From the monting clips, fake IMO...Tom

**Filip** · 10-16-2007, 07:42 PM

For some unknown reason, this type is only found in the ground. Not too sure about it’s authenticity .

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**alessio cammelli** · 10-17-2007, 03:01 AM

Thanks guys...you're confirming my cocerns about his provenance.....

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Ale

**kenneth wolfe** · 10-17-2007, 08:59 PM

Hi

Quick question did you find the badge or was it one from a dealer advertized as a ground dug piece?

Kenneth

**Pascal H.** · 10-18-2007, 01:24 AM

I don’t think this is a ground dog shield.
IMO this is an original shield and for some unknown reason allmost all the shields I have seen from this type are looking if they are ground dug. Most of them are still on the backing plate with the cloth attached to them which explained that they couldn’t be ground dug.
I think it has to do something with the alloy of the metal.

Here is my example on RAD backing cloth.

KR
Pascal

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**kenneth wolfe** · 10-18-2007, 09:05 PM

hi

HI Pascal,

Quick question! I was wondering why you believe this is an original shield. I know that you are a very, very knowledgeable person and I respect your opinion greatly but it seems very unlikely that all the shields by this particular maker appear like this because of the type of metals used. If it were the metals reacting with one another I would expect to see some type of by product produce from the reaction such as corrosion. To me this looks like acid treatment. Have you ever received one of these directly from a vet or know of someone who's trustworthy that has?

Kenneth

**Filip** · 10-19-2007, 12:40 AM

What I personally find confusing, among other things, is the fact that only the obverse seems to be affected by this metal reaction, while the reverse shows no traces of that

**alessio cammelli** · 10-19-2007, 05:30 AM

Originally posted by Pascal Huysmans View Post

I don’t think this is a ground dog shield.
IMO this is an original shield and for some unknown reason all the shields I have seen from this type are looking if they are ground dug. Most of them are still on the backing plate with the cloth attached to them which explained that they couldn’t be ground dug.
I think it has to do something with the alloy of the metal.

Here is my example on RAD backing cloth.

KR
Pascal

Thanks for the post Mr Pascal......confirming your thoughts I have now some new infos about this shield......It was found, with some others, in some german's graves in the east front....may be terrific, I know, but probably this is the thrue...

Alessio

**kenneth wolfe** · 10-19-2007, 09:22 AM

Hi

It still smells fishy to me. It's hard for me to believe that all the badges by this specific maker only look like this. Let’s say that they are real for argument sake. Well why don't we see any without this type of corrosion on it. You would think that even if this were time period and was made by an extremely small unknown firm that there would be at least a few floating around that are not in this condition. Think about it, if these badges came to a mass distribution center where they are randomly distributed to awardees, then at least a few were issued to soldiers who made it through the war and took their awards home with them. Not only that there could have been some from this firm that were issued to people that earned the shield while serving in Russia yet were not on the front lines when awarded it (i.e. Hospitals). I'm not saying that it's impossible that all the badges by this manufacture are buried in Russia somewhere because really nothing is impossible. What I am saying is that for all the Krim shields by this manufacture to be buried somewhere in Russia is extremely, extremely unlikely. I think a good way of saying it is that this story just does not pass the common sense test.

Kenneth

**kenneth wolfe** · 10-19-2007, 09:24 AM

Hi

And yes Filip brings up the best point yet if it were a true reaction caused by the metals then you would see it on both sides of the shield.

Kenneth

**alessio cammelli** · 10-19-2007, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by kenneth wolfe View Post

And yes Filip brings up the best point yet if it were a true reaction caused by the metals then you would see it on both sides of the shield.

Kenneth

May be you are right...if I was sure of this shiel I had not post it on the forum...but at this point...who know for sure?

I have found a lot of military items here in Italy with metal detector....and I can assured you that, so many times, was not so simply to understand the reasons of the different reaction of the ground..........for sure (and simply I have to say)..one of the reasons of the different reaction on the reverse side of that shield could be the cloth of the backing that preserved much better that side.....

really I thought it was most simply to detect a krim shield..........

thaks to all for your posts on this thread.....

Alessio

**kenneth wolfe** · 10-19-2007, 10:38 AM

Hi

So you actually found this shield in the ground?

Kenneth

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