M-18 Pants?
Gran Sasso's WW1.... Note the 3 seams - left, center and right.
Gran Sasso's WW1.... Note the 3 seams - left, center and right.
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M-18 Pants?
My WW1 pair's seat - centered support with 1 buckle, and 3 seams - left, center and right.Last edited by MilitaryCollect; 02-03-2010, 07:22 AM.Comment
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M-18 Pants?
WW2 German cavalry pant's front - no pockets, different construction and different material.Last edited by MilitaryCollect; 02-03-2010, 07:17 AM.Comment
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M-18 Pants?
Hello,Originally posted by PlaceOfBayonets View Post
I've posted photos of a pair of WW2 German cavalry pants for comparison. Taken from here: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=cavalry+pants It appears that the WW2 German cav pants may have been based on the M-18's design. But they are NOT the same.
Hope this helps with the confusion.
WW1 M-18 below.
ChristopherLast edited by MilitaryCollect; 02-03-2010, 07:15 AM.Comment
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Hello christopher,
I do not understand why you show us a pants which is not of the cavalry, it's a model for heer officer? It is not really comparable.......
I search on this web site, german trousers of WWII:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...reeches&page=4
I found this:
Small half belt + pocket on the backside right = WWII!
And the same buttons aluminum at the top
Of course your trousers are M18, from november 1918, the same than in WWII
Now, some pictures of my breeches which appear in 1915 and which will be made until 1918....i can show you more, i have others
You can see that mines don't have pockets , and long half-belt
The bottom of my breeches has no buttons, and the buttons of the height are all identical, as that of Gran Sasso......
Now you find what you want
Best regards
davidComment
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M-18 Pants?
David,
You have a very nice collection!
Thank you for making my point. The WW2 trousers are different than the M-18.
Specifically, all M-18 trousers (including mine) have 3 full seams in the rear whereas all of your WW2 versions have but one seam down the center. Moreover, the lining on mine is the same as yours' and Gran Sasso's - different than WW2 pants. Finally, the material on WW1 trousers seems heavier like mine. Please also note that there are NO WW2 markings on these pants.
Too bad you not nearby or I'd let you do a "hands-on" visual and comparison with your magnificient WW1 trousers.
Best,
ChristopherLast edited by MilitaryCollect; 02-03-2010, 11:57 AM.Comment
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Hello,
You say that your trousers are M 18, never see and ear before; but why not? You have 3 full seams in the rear because your trousers are for cavalry, of course the pictures of mine are straight, but it was for showing that a pocket on the right back and little half belt were produce during WWII,now a next time i'll show you pictures of cavalry WWI and WWII trousers; the 2 have 3 full seams in the rear, but the WWI has a big half belt and no pocket!
You speak about M 18 but i can show you the same trousers from cavalry with date of 1915 for exemple......so when you take out the part of leather (and wool) it's a new model of 1918
What about my breeches date 1918?? At the end of war most of trousers aren't green but grey.......the green one are straight!
I don't think that your stamp is good, the 1 is far from the 918, under the 1918, you can see a big number as in WWII (Rbnr: 0036512653)
Best regards
davidComment
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M-18 Pants?
Great,
Then we can agree to disagree
The number under the 1918 stap is a 3 or 4 digit number - not an RbNr.
ChristopherComment
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Hello,
I completely agree on the fact that we are the right to have different opinions, but I brought all the same many elements demonstrating that your pants were not 14/18. After, I call it of the bad faith.
Attached the photos of a breeches of cavalry with 3 seams behind (it was widened, it is for it that there is a part of fieldgrey sheet), it has no pocket, a big half belt, no buttons to close the bottom of the breeches and the buttons flat as all the German pants 14/18, in 39/45, they are in basin....
Maintaining place in photos, and if you always think that your pants are M18, it is that you are not very objective!
Show me pants with a pocket and a small half belt dated from WWI
Best regards
DavidComment
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M-18 Pants?
David,Originally posted by LA MITRAILLE View PostShow me pants with a pocket and a small half belt dated from WWI
Best regards
David
While I respect your opinion, I will cite "Imperial German Field Uniforms and Equipment - 1907 - 1918", pages 749-753 (ISBN: 0-7643-2262-1) as supporting evidence for the proposition that "short belt with triangular shape AND a rear pocket" are acceptable as WW1 vintage.
The book further states that "... the Reithose was made from grey cloth (Steingrau) as of August 1914 and again from field grey or grey-green starting in November 1917." Id. at 749. (Emphasis in original).
Photo below from page 749.
ChristopherLast edited by MilitaryCollect; 02-06-2010, 01:44 AM.Comment
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M-18 Pants?
Hello,
Here's a photo of the stamp from the most similar pair of WW1 pants I could find. Taken from: "Imperial German Field Uniforms and Equipment - 1907 - 1918", pages 749 (ISBN: 0-7643-2262-1).
Please note the large & uneven & irregularly spaced "1918" stamp.
Thank you,
ChristopherLast edited by MilitaryCollect; 02-06-2010, 02:05 AM.Comment
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M-18 Pants?
Hello,
Here's a photo of another pair of WW1 pants (Officer's M-1910 (Steifelhose/Feldhose)) which features a rear pocket and small rear triangular shaped belt.
Taken from: Imperial German Field Uniforms and Equipment - 1907 - 1918", page 753.
ChristopherLast edited by MilitaryCollect; 02-06-2010, 01:59 AM.Comment
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M-18 Pants?
Hello,
Here's another shot of my pants without flash.
ChristopherComment
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DAK,
I think there,s a case to be made on your breeches, but some of those pictures from Johan,s book show private purchase and I think what concerns most collectors is what appears to be a WW2 Rbnr under the 1918 date stamp.
Eric.Comment
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M-18 Pants?
Hello,
Here's a photo of the stamp with a US quarter as scale. There are NO other stamps on these pants.
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