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    #1201
    Anyone care to comment on this web page? List of recipients for the Coburg badge. Am wondering does this list also contain 2nd issue recipients? Supposed # awarded 400+ badges:

    http://ailsby-collection.blogspot.co...urg-badge.html

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      #1202
      It's a mix of names of both. Few notables missing like Sister Pia, etc.

      Surprisingly, not much is known about the decoration other than what's been published in official sources like Organisationsbuch. Not even the maker of it- the elusive 189...apparently no in-dept research has been done, hopefully someone will tackle the topic and expose more facts about those in the near future- the interest sure warrants it.

      cheers

      Matt
      Last edited by Matthew; 07-27-2014, 08:57 PM.

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        #1203
        Nice article on the badge in a recent issue of Bender's Military Adviser magazine with various items pertaining to it including one of the stained glass windows, etc.

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          #1204
          Originally posted by Mark C. Yerger View Post
          Nice article on the badge in a recent issue of Bender's Military Adviser magazine with various items pertaining to it including one of the stained glass windows, etc.
          Yes Mark, the best article to date on Coburg.

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            #1205
            Can someone please tell what issue of the MA that was? I like to order one.


            The silver with red enamel CB remains one of the most magical of all awards i ever had the luck to hold and inspect.


            Erich, just an idea that pops up:

            Heinrich Bulking of Duisburg, an SA Mann martyred in 1929.

            Theresa Esslinger a widow from Munich
            Could it have been a commemorative piece as Bulking appears to have died in 1929?

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              #1206
              Hi Gaston,

              It's in the current issue of The Military Advisor which is volume 25 issue 2 from Bender Publishing.

              Don't really know regarding the purpose of the silver badges other than being a special honor award with only 2 known but I only know of the one that has survived.
              Last edited by ErichS; 07-29-2014, 09:49 AM.

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                #1207
                Hi Erich,

                Thanks, ill go and try to backorder. My last backorder of a MA magazine from Bender never arrived, so hope it works out better this time.

                It is interesting to see Heinrich Bulking died in 1929 and Theresa Esslinger was a widow. Is it known when her husband died? Maybe the award was his and not her's but maybe she got the silver badge as her husband had died? Maybe the silver ones were special versions awarded to alte Kämpfer who died before the awarding moment? Of curse im thinking out loud here and speculating. Therese Esslinger appears to be on the recipients list on Ailsby's site, Heinrich Bulking not (as he had died at the time?).

                best regards,
                Gaston

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                  #1208
                  Originally posted by Rich Moran View Post
                  Anyone care to comment on this web page? List of recipients for the Coburg badge. Am wondering does this list also contain 2nd issue recipients? Supposed # awarded 400+ badges:

                  http://ailsby-collection.blogspot.co...urg-badge.html
                  Here is the original list.

                  http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=list&page=54

                  I have no idea how Ailsby created his list. And there are some debatable historical facts he presented, as well as gross spelling errors.

                  All the people on this list did not receive theirs in 1932. That is fact. Only 250 were at the 1932 event to receive their badge from OGF Hoffmann, then march to the sports field to listen to the speech from Hitler who had arrived by plane after the award ceremony had concluded.

                  Now unless Schwede-Coburg informed the OSAF from where he got the original 250 badges, I would presume they ordered additional badges to satisfy the requests of those unable to attend the event and who properly were entitled to the badge. As the RZM badge is reported to be smaller, would that indicate that a 1932 badge was used as a model for the later production?

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                    #1209
                    Originally posted by ErichS View Post
                    Yes Mark, the best article to date on Coburg.
                    Always interesting articles, those I like best are on things I know nothing about or never collected, though Coburg badge always an interest. He also has an article I wrote, but is history oriented rather than militaria.

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                      #1210
                      JoeW, many thanks for this, i had not saved these files and almost forgotten them.

                      Look at post #809, written by the name of Theresa Esslinger stands "Für den Mann" (For the man/husband). Could it be then... that the silver with red enamel are posthumous after all? Clearly it says the badge was not for her but for her husband?

                      Heinrich Bulking appears to have died in 1929, so was obviously dead in 1932 as well?

                      Maybe, just maybe we can finally unravel the meaning of the silver ones!

                      Another thought is that a silver with red enamel badge looks quite a bit more elegant than a bronze badge (this feels like cursing in church, sorry), but would look better on a womans dress for sure!

                      Exciting thoughts!

                      best regards,
                      Gaston

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                        #1211
                        Is there any period reference to the silver/enameled badges?
                        Richard V

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                          #1212
                          If the silver badge was awarded to Esslinger's widow he must of been special because there is no mention of a posthumous award going to the family of Oskar Koerner who was at Coburg and was killed a year later at the Feldherrnhalle .

                          Both Sister Pia and her son Wilhelm Baur were awarded the CB yet the Ailsby list only shows her son listed so like Joe said, it's incomplete."
                          Last edited by ErichS; 07-30-2014, 08:11 AM.

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                            #1213
                            Hi Erich,

                            None of the 16 names of the martyrs are on the list, if there were posthumous awards (whoch im starting to really think, be it a silver badge or not), then the fallen for the putsch were not included in 1932.

                            Interesting!

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                              #1214
                              Originally posted by jabnus View Post
                              Hi Erich,

                              None of the 16 names of the martyrs are on the list, if there were posthumous awards (whoch im starting to really think, be it a silver badge or not), then the fallen for the putsch were not included in 1932.

                              Interesting!
                              Not sure how many of the Putsch martyrs took part at Coburg but Koerner was there as seen in period photos and if anyone should have gotten a posthumous award if they were awarded,it should have been him. That said, still a mystery if any posthumous badges were actually awarded and the actual purpose of the silver version.

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                                #1215
                                Originally posted by Richard View Post
                                Is there any period reference to the silver/enameled badges?
                                Richard V
                                Of course not. First appeared in Littlejohn/Dodkins book. Ailsby purchased it out of that collection if I remember correctly.

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