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    These are an American and British cast gray iron grenades, you can see a similarity in the metal surface with some of the fragmentation sleeves you have posted.

    Can you see any evidence of a seam line on your examples?

    The lack of a seam line does not mean that they were not castings though.

    The Germans invented the Sodium Silicate-Ceramic Shell Lost Wax method of casting metal parts, the allies were in a big hurry to steal the process after the war.
    Lots of detail in a casting and no parting line, cope or drag to worry about.
    Less machining to do and all in all a much better casting.
    And the casting medium can be ground up and used over and over again.

    The fragmentation sleeve masters could have been cut in a hard "plastic" material and a mould made of it so long lengths of wax fragmentation "pipe' could be cast in iron by the ceramic shell process and cut to the desired lengths after.
    Makes more sense than machining long lengths of pipe with all those grooves, plus the grooves look like they were cut in something soft first.
    Run your finger nail back and forth through a piece of wax an see what I mean.

    Below are the two grenades showing surface texture and the seam or parting lines where the two side of the sand mould came together.





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      The non-textured relatively smooth pipe like the one I whacked with a hammer would I think have been extruded in lengths and cut to size.

      Never made solid no seam pipe but I have seen them extrude and roll solid round bar so it seems that extrusion would be the most economical way of doing it.

      I must check that out.

      Anybody know?

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        Jean-Loup, even though yours is very corroded I think its the real deal. I like how the edges of the squares are "smushed" out. Glenn

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          Just found this thread. I really need to pay better attention.

          Here is my frag sleeve. "brb44"

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            Hi,

            Recently, I get the opportunity to get this frag sleeve for a very low price:

            Any comments are welcome.







            Best regards

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              Hi,

              Just to add my little contribution to this post.
              Here are some pictures of two frag sleeves - one is original, the other isn't -.
              I think that it doesn't need any comment or subtitle

              Best regards



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                thanks for posting those Bruno. see how the top edge of the real one is not a perfect plane unlike that of the fake. thats a great comparison pic there. could you please take another comparison pic of both the interiors of the sleeves. Glenn

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                  Hi Glenn,

                  As asked:

                  Original



                  Copy



                  Hope it helps

                  Best regards

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                    now thats a pic worth a thousand words. totally can tell the difference. my "oxo" certainly didnt look like your top pic. thanks, Bruno. Glenn

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                      Hi Glenn,

                      Nevertheless, take in account that the copy shown here above doesn't have any marking (no "oxo" code ).

                      So.. not so easy ...

                      Regards

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                        Originally posted by BrunoH View Post
                        Hi,

                        Recently, I get the opportunity to get this frag sleeve for a very low price:

                        Any comments are welcome.







                        Best regards
                        Hello Bruno , I just can say the stamp isn't the same as my Do 43 , close but ...

                        Nice frag one !

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                          Hi Francis,

                          I'm not sure that the one is a good one or a fake. That's why I've asked for comment about it ...

                          By the way, could it be possible to have the weight of your's please ?

                          Thanks in advance.

                          Regards

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                            120gr

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                              Hi Francis,

                              Its weight is 143 g

                              Anybody else can confirm me it's the bad result ?

                              Regards

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                                smooth frag sleeve

                                Hi Bruno,

                                your smooth fragmentation sleeve is fake - especially
                                the stamped markings do not belong on the frag-sleeve,
                                it was meant to caracterize the filling/explosive of the grenade-head
                                itself and is therefore 100% pure fantasy here....

                                Cheers,


                                Ferdinand

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