e-tool with carrier

[Schneckenmacher]

Hello peers,

although the spade (dilettantish replaced shaft) and the leather carrier (long strap cut up) are not intact anymore I could not resist, so I purchased this set some days ago.

I am actually expecting to have found an unmarked "kvz" (Timmermann & Wollet, Heidelberg) cover - am I right with that ?
I additionally detect a marker stamp at the spade blade.
Can somebody please assign this to the correct producer?

I am thinking of replacing the missing strap: How long it has to be and how many holes (and to what distance to each other) it should have?

Horrido

[Schneckenmacher]

Hello,

I've searched the forum for some kvz and I found this nice example:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...hlight=carrier

[HAF]

very nice condition original set !

[grndevil44]

the spade maker logo is BOVO

[Schneckenmacher]

And here we have a nice example of such a piece:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...highlight=bovo
Thanks for your hints!

Although I was quite shure about the authenticity, your validation is kind of balsam to me .

Can you tell me the proper measures of the missing strap?

[sfmike1]

If your are going to try to restore the broken strap, you might want to copy this war-time looking repair on one of mine, rather than removing the brokern section. A length of (Tornister type) strap was sewn onto the existing part. In this way, the stiching of the original is not disturbed.
SF Mike

[Schneckenmacher]

Hey Mike,

I already planed to leave the strap where it is.
So your suggestion is quite welcome to me - thx!

Was your type of repair the official one or would it rather mean to replace the entire strap (where there any regulations)?

Could you please tell me, how long (in cm) the entire strap has to be at the end?
Also I do not know if the number and the position of the holes did depend on the producer or if this was determined by an official regulation too (if so, how was this)?

regards

[Ir 143]

Repair.

For me it was easyer for the saddler to repair like this as to change the entire strap.

[Schneckenmacher]

Ah, ok - so this is rather the unofficial variant .
Did you made the new strap on your own?

I still need the correct measures ...

As I already found out: most of the producer used straps with 5 holes.
Therefore no other equipment strap (mess kit, coat belt) can be used for that.

[sfmike1]

Ah, ok - so this is rather the unofficial variant .
Did you made the new strap on your own?

I still need the correct measures ...

As I already found out: most of the producer used straps with 5 holes.
Therefore no other equipment strap (mess kit, coat belt) can be used for that.

The strap came from another (quite destroyed) carrier. They are typically 36cm long.
And yes, all have 5 holes.
SF Mike

[Schneckenmacher]

An original replacement part, that would be great - congratulations!
I waited for about 5 years to get the carrier, so I will use an entire new strap now ...

Could you please tell me the distance between the holes and the distance from the first hole to the top?

[sfmike1]

An original replacement part, that would be great - congratulations!
I waited for about 5 years to get the carrier, so I will use an entire new strap now ...

Could you please tell me the distance between the holes and the distance from the first hole to the top?

These dimensions vary somewhat per manufacturer, based on measurement of several I own; about 45mm from the cnter of the first hole to the tip of the free end of the strap. About 17mm between holes...but the holes are not round. All are slightly oval.

SF Mike

[Schneckenmacher]

Great - thank you very much Mike !

Could you introduce your other carriers?

[sfmike1]

Great - thank you very much Mike !

Could you introduce your other carriers?

Sure...here's a couple:
1. (Tan one) Marked "E.G. Leuner, Bautzen, 1943” and “WaA159"
2. (Black leather one) marked “Otto Stephan Lederwerk, Mühlhausen / TH (Thüringia), 1937” and “WaA163” (with Reichswehr style WaA).

[sfmike1]

Great - thank you very much Mike !

Could you introduce your other carriers?

More: Black Presstoff, similar to yours, but no stitching on the inside cut-out. Marked “WaA920", but no maker. Most folks say this is also a "kvz" carrier, but I don't believe so. More likely a ‘44 ”cgn” (J. Poeschl), who used this WaA late in the war - IMHO. (I've owned a kvz carrier, and the construction is quite different). This one has the loops attached on the rear, rather than stitched inside the layers. Other makers also used this style late in the war (like "“cey” - K. Budischovsky, Wien)