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    An introduction and a rather unusual GM-38 Gas Mask

    Hi guys, this is my first post on this forum so go easy on me! I'm on a few other various forums on the web, and some of you may recognise the username. For those that don't, my name is Danny, I am from Scotland and I am primarily a collector of gas masks and chemical protection equipment. A friend recommended that I join this forum since I am now slowly branching out into the realms of German gas masks, as up until recently I have only really focused on all things British. I also come seeking a bit of help with something that I recently obtained, which so far has puzzled quite a few collectors of gas masks, and German militaria.

    I took delivery of this unusual WW2 German GM-38 a few months back, It is yet another mystery piece in my collection which I am hoping someone out there might be able to help me solve. German items as I already mentioned are far from my area of expertise, so I guess this is where the learning starts. There are a few ideas floating around on the internet as to why these unusual masks have the additional filter port on the side of the facepiece. These include that it was for use by the Luftwaffe, with the intention of allowing for the attachment of an oxygen supply as well as the standard filter or even for attachment of some form of microphone which I think would be very unlikely as such a mask already existed as well as the fact there is a one way valve in place, which wouldn't really make any sense. Another idea, which I personally think might be the most plausible is that these masks were for evaluating having a filter fitted to the side of the facepiece like the British Lightweight Respirator and the American M5 Assault Gas Mask, which also were to a degree essentially modifications of an existing design. The reason I am siding with this idea at the moment is because another example of this mask, which can be seen on the late Johannes Möller's website (gasmasklexikon) has a blanking plug screwed into the original filter port. This to me says that the intention may have been to make the original filter port redundant and instead attach the filter to the side of the facepiece, this is purely speculation though and I hope that somebody reading will have a definite answer as to why these masks existed. It's probably also worth mentioning that GM-30's also exist with this same modification, but instead having the additional port on the opposite side of the facepiece in all cases that I have come across, one of these can also be seen on gasmasklexikon.

    Shown below are two photographs of the mask in question, with and without the filter.





    Regards,

    Danny
    Last edited by gasmasksuk; 12-25-2015, 08:07 PM.

    #2
    This may be a civilian version.

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      #3
      Originally posted by juoneen View Post
      This may be a civilian version.
      Agreed. Civilian type.

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        #4
        Can you please check if there is a Waffen-ambt inside the mask (behind the face seal usually). If there is a Waffenambt then we can rule out civilian use. I highly doubt this would be civilian or even industrial because companies like Dräger and Auer had their separate production lines and models for that. This mask with it's side port has been made for a very specific purpose, not just to hand it out to civilians or even Luftschutz. Fire Fighting might be a possibility because it's more easy to attach it to things like a rebreather or compressed air system.

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          #5
          Thanks for your responses and input into the topic, I've had a better look at the mask and there is indeed a Waffenambt behind the face seal, its a little bit worn but it is there. I've included a photograph of it, and some more of the mask itself. I've also just noticed that the two lower straps of the head harness have hooks on them instead of being threaded through the rings on the facepiece, which too is unusual.



          Waffenambt





          Inside the facepiece





          Hook on lower strap


          Regards,

          Danny

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            #6
            Waffenambt shows that this mask has been through official channels and was thus not meant for the civilian market. It's either military or fire fighting but certainly not civilian or industrial. Too bad we don't have any period photographs of this mask in use, that would clear up a whole lot.

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              #7
              Very nice and unusual GM !!!

              Sorry to say I have no information about it......

              btw, it is Waffenamt, and not Waffenambt, but I'm nitpicking now....

              Tom
              www.mp44.nl

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                #8
                Actually, it is WaffenAmt, but that is really splitting hairs.

                What is the date on the metal snout? The metal strap hook that is pictured is the early pattern.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by stroh View Post
                  Actually, it is WaffenAmt, but that is really splitting hairs.
                  It is not, no need to really split your hairs.

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                    #10
                    Thanks very much for the comments and input, and the lesson on "WaffenAmt"

                    Originally posted by stroh View Post
                    What is the date on the metal snout? The metal strap hook that is pictured is the early pattern.
                    The snout is marked BMW 41, which is isn't anything out of the ordinary I believe.

                    Regards,

                    Danny

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by gasmasksuk View Post
                      Hi guys, this is my first post on this forum so go easy on me! I'm on a few other various forums on the web, and some of you may recognise the username. For those that don't, my name is Danny, I am from Scotland and I am primarily a collector of gas masks and chemical protection equipment. A friend recommended that I join this forum since I am now slowly branching out into the realms of German gas masks, as up until recently I have only really focused on all things British. I also come seeking a bit of help with something that I recently obtained, which so far has puzzled quite a few collectors of gas masks, and German militaria.

                      I took delivery of this unusual WW2 German GM-38 a few months back, It is yet another mystery piece in my collection which I am hoping someone out there might be able to help me solve. German items as I already mentioned are far from my area of expertise, so I guess this is where the learning starts. There are a few ideas floating around on the internet as to why these unusual masks have the additional filter port on the side of the facepiece. These include that it was for use by the Luftwaffe, with the intention of allowing for the attachment of an oxygen supply as well as the standard filter or even for attachment of some form of microphone which I think would be very unlikely as such a mask already existed as well as the fact there is a one way valve in place, which wouldn't really make any sense. Another idea, which I personally think might be the most plausible is that these masks were for evaluating having a filter fitted to the side of the facepiece like the British Lightweight Respirator and the American M5 Assault Gas Mask, which also were to a degree essentially modifications of an existing design. The reason I am siding with this idea at the moment is because another example of this mask, which can be seen on the late Johannes Möller's website (gasmasklexikon) has a blanking plug screwed into the original filter port. This to me says that the intention may have been to make the original filter port redundant and instead attach the filter to the side of the facepiece, this is purely speculation though and I hope that somebody reading will have a definite answer as to why these masks existed. It's probably also worth mentioning that GM-30's also exist with this same modification, but instead having the additional port on the opposite side of the facepiece in all cases that I have come across, one of these can also be seen on gasmasklexikon.

                      Shown below are two photographs of the mask in question, with and without the filter.





                      Regards,

                      Danny
                      Hi, this is a Communications gasmask. The side hole is for fitting a specially made microphone for communication during a gas attack. The hole is usually on the right, so it is possibly a luftschutz version? Either way it's a scarce and very nice mask.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by angus1235 View Post
                        Hi, this is a Communications gasmask. The side hole is for fitting a specially made microphone for communication during a gas attack. The hole is usually on the right, so it is possibly a luftschutz version? Either way it's a scarce and very nice mask.

                        No, it's not. The communication variation of the mask is called the GM38/funker and has the special port on the right. The special port cannot accept any filter because it's too small. The version posted by the OP is yet to be identified as what it real purpose was, it's most likely designed to accept a hose. Since the OP connected a filter on the port it's clearly DIN40mm screw thread and not a port for any communication device.

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                          #13
                          Super interesting mask. I agree.....upper port looks like it is for a hose connection. Where there any vehicles that had their own filtration systems? (Just a thought).
                          SF Mike

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