Some new equipment: Laufschützer, Erkennungsmarken, MG-Werkzeugtasche

[Jolly Roger]

Hi,

I want to share some new equipment from my equipment with you. I hope you like it!

Best regards

Ben

[lockheed nl]

nice stuff! I really like your laufschutzer.

[me6_130]

I'm sorry but I don't like the MG Werkzeug pouch, it is from Norway and stamp is fake. I'm not quite comfortable with the barrel carrier either. There is something strange about the paint and seems dated 42'...that makes me think

Carles

[anmarlodz]

I'm sorry but I don't like the MG Werkzeug pouch, it is from Norway and stamp is fake. I'm not quite comfortable with the barrel carrier either. There is something strange about the paint and seems dated 42'...that makes me think

Carles

IMO both laufschutzer ( it's model 42 so don't see problem with maker marks - wq - and date ) and MG pouch are legit ( the pouch has correct maker markings in style and font ).
Lufschutzer seems to be cleaned from postwar paint that's why it looks a bit strange IMO.

[me6_130]

IMO laufschutzer ( it's model 42 so don't see problem with maker marks - wq - and date ) seems to be cleaned from postwar paint that's why it looks a bit strange IMO.

Well that's part of it, maker (wc) and date (42) are not the problem. The problem is there is no other paint seen under the tan. If dated 42, it should show some blue and/or red primer, so I was wondering if the tan is original. Hard to say if not on hand. See if there is some paint other than tan...We have alll seen mister Frankenberger's work sometime...

IMO both laufschutzer MG pouch are legit ( the pouch has correct maker markings in style and font ).

Never seen that maker stamp, but don't know all makers. I thought it would have an original stamp in the front, too faint to be seen, so would have been fake stamped to increase it's value. Being Norwegian refurbished it lacks the original insiders: wooden plank, AA sight pocket, bolt clip, bolt base leather reinforcement and all the rivets. That leaves it in very poor shape for me to like it, anyhow.


Carles

[Jolly Roger]

Well that's part of it, maker (wc) and date (42) are not the problem. The problem is there is no other paint seen under the tan. If dated 42, it should show some blue and/or red primer, so I was wondering if the tan is original. Hard to say if not on hand. See if there is some paint other than tan...We have alll seen mister Frankenberger's work sometime...



Never seen that maker stamp, but don't know all makers. I thought it would have an original stamp in the front, too faint to be seen, so would have been fake stamped to increase it's value. Being Norwegian refurbished it lacks the original insiders: wooden plank, AA sight pocket, bolt clip, bolt base leather reinforcement and all the rivets. That leaves it in very poor shape for me to like it, anyhow.


Carles

Why would it be norwegian refurbished?? No other stamps than the 43 stamp on there. Just somebody put some shoe polish on it imo. But I am glad that you dont like it even if it its original.

Also the Laufschützer neither has any postwar paint that was removed nor lacks the red primer. You can see the primer on some spots (check the pic with the snap for example) but not any kind of postwar paint that was removed. Please show me spots where you think the Laufschützer has been cleaned or has remnants of postwar paint! I will be happy to be tought wrong but I have the item in hand here and cant see anything that you suspect to be there or not to be there.

Best regards

Ben

[Jolly Roger]

Please also let me know if you need more detailed pics!

Best regards

Ben

[me6_130]

Why would it be norwegian refurbished?? No other stamps than the 43 stamp on there. Just somebody put some shoe polish on it imo. But I am glad that you dont like it even if it its original.

Well, if you are happy with it, enjoy it.

The bolt clip it has is not original german but Norwegian refurbished. On the outside you can probably see a square plate with 4 rivets. As N. army did't issue the AA sight as a regular part of the MG equipment, the wooden plank and metal pocket for the AA sight were removed in most of their captured gunner pouches.

Norway also produced copies of the gunner pouch without holes in the front, so some fakers are "restoring them to their original state", among them our dear friend Holger Frankenberger at ebay.

Carles

[Jolly Roger]

Hi Carles,

thanks for the Info! As the Price was about 1/3 of what they normally cost it was a fair deal for me and fills the gap! The Info about the norwegian reissue is new me and a good education!

Best regards

Ben

[me6_130]

If price is good, all items are welcome.

Carles

[anmarlodz]

Well, if you are happy with it, enjoy it.

The bolt clip it has is not original german but Norwegian refurbished. On the outside you can probably see a square plate with 4 rivets. As N. army did't issue the AA sight as a regular part of the MG equipment, the wooden plank and metal pocket for the AA sight were removed in most of their captured gunner pouches.

Norway also produced copies of the gunner pouch without holes in the front, so some fakers are "restoring them to their original state", among them our dear friend Holger Frankenberger at ebay.

Carles

First and the most ; wooden plates were very often, wartime removed by soldier themselfs to fit more useful items for their MG so your theory fit only if there is quite big, squre, aluminium plate on the side or on the upper flap of the pouch . If not than it is original, untouched, wartime MG ammo pouch.

Here is another MG pouch from this maker ( look at Patrick - Gran Sasso post ) . Seen and had also presstoff e-toll covers from this maker and seen other lether and presstoff equipment from this maker so definately not unknown maker.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...490728&page=10

[me6_130]

First and the most ; wooden plates were very often, wartime removed by soldier themselfs to fit more useful items for their MG so your theory fit only if there is quite big, squre, aluminium plate on the side or on the upper flap of the pouch . If not than it is original, untouched, wartime MG ammo pouch.

Perhaps they did, perhaps they didn't, difficult to say when you find a pouch without the wooden plate and metal sheet, but I don't like that theory much, as it tends to cover all pouches that have been stripped post war (perhaps the 99% of those in the market). If the pouch is not in it's original state...then it has been touched, even if done wartime, so has lost most of it's value to my eyes. Anyhow, I don't need to see the square aluminium plate riveted outside the pouch to know it has been refurbished in Norway...because the bolt clip says it all, so this one is not that case.

Here is another MG pouch from this maker ( look at Patrick - Gran Sasso post ) . Seen and had also presstoff e-toll covers from this maker and seen other lether and presstoff equipment from this maker so definately not unknown maker.

I'm not saying it is an unknown maker, but unknow to me. Anyhow, you can compare this maker's fonts, seems there are some differences between Patrick's pouch and this one, but that can happen, as seen with other makers:



Carles

[Jolly Roger]

Why would it be norwegian refurbished?? No other stamps than the 43 stamp on there. Just somebody put some shoe polish on it imo. But I am glad that you dont like it even if it its original.

Also the Laufschützer neither has any postwar paint that was removed nor lacks the red primer. You can see the primer on some spots (check the pic with the snap for example) but not any kind of postwar paint that was removed. Please show me spots where you think the Laufschützer has been cleaned or has remnants of postwar paint! I will be happy to be tought wrong but I have the item in hand here and cant see anything that you suspect to be there or not to be there.

Best regards

Ben

I forgot about this thread. After a decent in hand inspection I came to the conclusion that the Laufschützer was post war painted. Thought I would update this topic.

Best regards

Ben

[okoska]

Hello!

I have same feelings on barrel carrier.
Thanks for your feedback!

O.

[me6_130]

I forgot about this thread. After a decent in hand inspection I came to the conclusion that the Laufschützer was post war painted. Thought I would update this topic.

Best regards

Ben

I'm glad you came back with this information. You can be sure the gunner pouch is also what I said, Norwegian refurbished or Norwegian produced with a fake stamp.

Carles