Control Stick German Messerschmitt Aircraft WW II

[axion9]

Opinions please. Real?
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[Jim Spaw]

Its the "real Deal"

Yes, this looks very good. A real KG13A grip on a stick with all the bells and whistles. If you can get it at the opening price, good, a good deal. But watch out for last minute bidding. It is worth about US$1200 or possibly more due to it's configuration. Nicely marked also.

[Matt Starr]

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[Jim Spaw]

Yes but.....

If you look, many control columns were modified, by adding switches, control boxes, etc. I believe that the modification you speak of is a period type. I have seen it before in KG13A and B grips of this vintage. I think it is actually good.

[Matt Starr]

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[Matt Starr]

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[Sturmvogel]

Autopilot Grip

Hi Matt,

It is an old thread but nonetheless I want to add something. Jim was right, the stick is 100% original and correct. The part which was removed in the front was filled again with a bakelite piece that holds the switch for the autopilot. With this switch, one could fly automatic shallow turns in bad weather. This is actually a very rare column as it probably belonged to a bad weather fighter Me 109 like JG300 for example used. They modified the standard KG13A into a auto pilot grip. Later models had a KG13R (which was basically a KG13C with all the autopilot switches). There are good photos of a KG13R in the South African Me 262 B cockpit which had this bakelite part in front of the grip rather than on the backside as it was done on this KG13A column.

Regards,
Roger

[Matt Starr]

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[Sturmvogel]

Control stick

Hi Matt,

Yes, you are correct. The upper part war normally just an empty alluminium tube covered with rubber. But the switch for the autopilot (the switch could be switched to the left or right with the index finger) needed some space and for some reasons a rectangular bakelit part was attached to it. This bakelite part is very dark and on the photos it looks as if there was a hole in the upper grip. But in fact there is no hole. What you see is just the bakelite part that holds the autopilot switch (which is quite rusty on the photo). There were two screws on both sides that attached the bakelite part to the grip. To insert it, they had to cut out a rectangular piece from the upper grip. You can also see a small switch on the left side (in flight direction) of the grip which was the "on/off" switch of the auto pilot system.

The grip was used in connection with either a K22 or K23 autopilot. This was a single axis auto pilot that kept the indicated direction of flight by moving the rudder. With the switch on the control stick, the pilot could adjust the desired course that was indicated on the large repeater compass in the main instrument panel. If the actual course deviated from the desired course, the auto pilot received an electrical signal from the repeater compass and adjusted the rudder to keep the course.

I hope this helps understanding the auto pilot system a bit better. I'll include a detailed explanation with sketches, photos, etc. in my planned Me 262 book.

Regards,
Roger

[Hiroshi]

Subtype Of Kg13

Hello. I am HIROSHI.
I want you to teach the control stick that I own.

There is three question.
1.The nameplate of the control stick that I own has been damaged a little.
Is the first letter 'A' though the first letter of the manufacturing company
name is not read easily? ( Argus Motoren Gesellschaft m.b.H ?)

2.The management number of the nameplate is FL47945.
What is the type turn that this management number shows?
Is it KG13A or KG13B? Moreover, what is Aircraft used?

3.The button at the left of the grip of the control stick that I own is lost, and
only the rubber cover remains.
Isn't there photograph where what kind of button was attached is understood?

[Sturmvogel]

Stick

Hello Hiroshi,

From the Fl number you gave I would say it is a KG12E used for example in Me 110. Could you post some photos? The KG12E didn't have the button on the side, so perhaps yours might be complete. But some had buttons attached to them but this was more a field or factory conversion as the KG12E was delivered without the side button.

Regards
Roger

[Hiroshi]

My Control stick photo

Hi,Roger
Thankyou for a quick answer.
The photo of my control stick was post.
The code of the button on the grip side seems to have adhered from the
beginning.

[Sturmvogel]

Stick photo

Hi Hiroshi,

Where did you post the photo? I can't see it?

Regards
Roger

[Hiroshi]

Repost Stick photo

Sorry,Roger
I repost other url.
can you see this?

[Sturmvogel]

V-number

Hi Hiroshi,

I could see it but it is veeeery small. Can you post a bigger scan or send it to me directly to rogaemp at yahoo.de?

Also, what V-number is written on the cable cover? This helps to identify the plane it came from.

Regards
Roger