Bread bags

[RodneyO]

Thanks Jim !, that a neat catalog. The left one sure looks similar to the one I have but the shoulder strap is attached to D-rings in the back. I agree that it might have changed over the years to simplify the steps and sewn directly to the bag. Can anyone translate what No. 5936 says?

[JonB]

Hi there,
In case you've not yet worked out what the text means, here's a translation, hoping it helps:

No. 5936 Breadbag in lightweight, olive- or field grey-coloured canvas, divider, 1 closure strap, 2 shoulder strap loops, riveted leather fittings, with adjustable, removable shoulder strap RM 1,80
No. 5936a as No.5936 with belt hook, without shoulder strap RM 1,50

Akah (Albrecht Kind) opened for business in 1853 and are still going, with ~10% or 1,000 of the lines they sell still being of their own manufacture.

[RodneyO]

Mele Kalikimaka to All!!

JonB, Thanks for the translation for No. 5936!! It's only a catalog illustration drawing but the only example that shows that these bread bags with only shoulder straps exist. Wish it had more information on who used them....

[knd643]

Does anyone know what battle the picture is depicting?

[sfmike1]

Not sure about the pic, but I had to go dig my identical bread bad out - same RBNr. as yours (as were the ones in the previous thread I posted). Obviously these were made by the same firm, at the same time, and were military issue. Some have said these were a special Volksstürm simplified model, but it seems unlikely that at that stage of the war a special piece of field gear would be made for the home front.
I guess the key is finding out who would need a bread bag, but not be equipped with a belt? Female helpers yes, but they already had a special model (the type with an internal zipper). Garrison troops or troops on work detail? Pioneer (overloaded belts)?
SF Mike

[JonB]

Mele Kalikimaka to All!!

JonB, Thanks for the translation for No. 5936!! It's only a catalog illustration drawing but the only example that shows that these bread bags with only shoulder straps exist. Wish it had more information on who used them....

You're welcome!
Not knowing how much German you can understand, I'll add the following in case you had not worked out what information it does have about who used them:-

5936 & a, 5931 & a, + 5938 & a all have dividers, therefore are NOT used by Reichswehr/Wehrmacht (so by implication DJ, HJ, SA).

5943 states being in accordance with DRK [=German Red Cross] regulations.

5942 states being in accordance with RAD [=Labour Corps "Arbeits Dienst"] regulations.

5939 states "Reichswehr", the forerunner of the Wehrmacht, but not knowing the date of the catalogue means not being able to say if this is a bread bag to 'current' regulations, or made to those in force before 1931, the year the specification of the wartime bread bag so many of us know & love was formulated.

Hope this may help further,
Jon

[sfmike1]

5942 states being in accordance with RAD [=Labour Corps "Arbeits Dienst"] regulations.
Hope this may help further,
Jon[/QUOTE]

I like this description for #5942 (the RAD version) excuse the google translate:

"Bread bag for labor service, from earthy brown, impregnated canvas, curtain wall, 3 power straps, 2 helpful contribution bands with leather trim. Coupling hook, brown leather garnish hand sewn, with adjustable removable carrying strap, all in quality and execution under the provisions of national leadership of the labor service".

[JonB]

Of course a lot of Fieldgear was sold in commercial stores like these breadbags in a 1935 AKAH sporting goods catalog. They were often listed as being made for the military but were available for everyone to buy. While not identical notice the bag on the left with sewn on strap. Remember this is just what one store sold in a particular year. I'm certain many similar styles were available. jim[/QUOTE]
Jim,
You mention the catalogue is from 1935. The law establishing the Wehrmacht as the successor to the Reichswehr dates to 16th March of that year.
Have you any more precise information about the exact date of the catalogue?
If so, it could be helpful in determining whether item 5939 represents the Brotbeutel 31, or an earlier model to pre-1931 Reichswehr specifications.
Thanks in advance for any light you may be able to shed on what is a most interesting depiction of different styles of bread bag.
Jon