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    #91
    nothing new but a little more theory about WAL = Westf. Aluminiumindustrie, Lüdenscheid



    It also names their early RZM-number: FA4

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      #92
      Danke ! Sehr interessant !

      Thank you ! Very interresting !

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        #93
        Thanks to all the participants of the topic. I learned a lot.

        Special thanks for the "FA4"

        This is what happens as a result of ( canteens/messkits):

        AEM.A Annweiler Email-u.Metall-Werke, Annweil
        ALU Anton Laumayer, Ulm
        AWG Albert Wildfang Metallpresswerk, Gelsenkirchen
        AWF Alwin Wagner Metallwarenfabrik
        AWS Arno Wallpach, Salzburg
        BSW Brüder Schneider A.G., Wien
        C&CW Colsmann & Co, Werdohl
        CFL Carl Feldhaus Aluminium-und Metallwerke, Lüdenscheid
        DFL Diemer & Fastenrath, Lüdenscheid
        emk Göttinger Aluminiumwerke, GmbH
        ESB Eduard Sommerfeld, Berlin
        ESL Ernst Schneider Metallwarenfabrik, Lüdenscheid
        FBCM Fr.Burberg & Co.A.G. Mettmann-Solingen
        FSS Frenzel & Sachs, Schneeberg
        FWBN F.W. Brockelmann Aluminiumwerk GmbH KG, Neheim/Ruhr ( also marked as "ccj" )
        FWW Friedrich Wilke Westig/W.
        G&CL Gerhardi & Cie Aluminiumwaren, Lüdenscheid
        GK&F Gebruder Kugel und Fink, Lüdenscheid
        GNL Gebruder Noelle Bestecke, Lüdenscheid
        H&HK Heimendahl & Keller, Hilden
        HMZ Hessische Metallwarenfabrik, Ziegenhain
        HRE Heinrich Ritter, Esslingen
        HWM Honsel-Werke A.G. Meschede
        HWSD H.W.Schmidt Metallwarenfabrik, Döbeln
        JFS Johann Feix Sohne, Gablonz
        JSD J.Schmalzeder Erben, Dresden
        L&SL Linnepe & Schiffer Metallwarenfabrik, Lüdenscheid
        MN Metall u.Eisen GmbH, Nürnberg
        OHW Otto Honsel-Werke, Aluminiumwerk, Werdohl
        PSL Paul Schulze & Co, Lübeck
        RFI Rudolf Fissler KG, Idar-Oberstein ( also marked as "kvu ")
        SMM Süddeutsche Metallwarenfabrik Mussbach
        SSL Sieper & Sohne, Lüdenscheid
        StW Stocko Metallwarenfabrik OHG, Wuppertal
        VDN/VDNS Vereinigte Deutsche Nickelwerke/Nickel-und Stahlwerke, Schwerte
        WAL Westfalische Aluminium Industrie, Junger & Co., Lüdenscheid
        WBL Wilhelm Berg, Lüdenscheid
        ZPStZ Zieh, Press u. Stanzwerk, Schwarz & Co., Zwintschona-Halle

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          #94
          Thanks for this llist, great work
          Just a question.....and always about MN
          Are you sure that MN is MN Metall u.Eisen GmbH, Nürnberg??
          Here we tolking about MN = MENESA or MAX MULLER NURMBERG......

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            #95
            I forgot to say that I'm pretty sure that MN is Max Muller Nürnberg

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              #96
              Originally posted by Suimpftarn View Post
              Thanks to all the participants of the topic. I learned a lot.

              Special thanks for the "FA4"

              This is what happens as a result of ( canteens/messkits):

              AEM.A Annweiler Email-u.Metall-Werke, Annweil

              MN Metall u.Eisen GmbH, Nürnberg
              I give up.
              I spoke out my worries about this when the thread started.
              Either you guys should do it right and try to find more prove for your assumptions or just let it be.
              I just can't take such lists serious anymore when out of the first three makers I'm looking at, 2 are wrong.
              You got SSM right, bravo.
              The town AEM.A was located in is Annweiler not Annweil.
              MN is completely wrong. Just do a forum search if you want to learn something.

              I didn't go further into the list, how reliable could it be after such a bad start.

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                #97
                Originally posted by knoffhoff View Post
                I give up.
                I spoke out my worries about this when the thread started.
                Either you guys should do it right and try to find more prove for your assumptions or just let it be.
                I just can't take such lists serious anymore when out of the first three makers I'm looking at, 2 are wrong.
                You got SSM right, bravo.
                The town AEM.A was located in is Annweiler not Annweil.
                MN is completely wrong. Just do a forum search if you want to learn something.

                I didn't go further into the list, how reliable could it be after such a bad start.


                No problem!

                I can make a mistake in the name of the city, because I do not live in Germany.
                Yes, I read your version at the beginning of the topic. At first I thought the correct version of Bernhard.
                Only now I found this topic:

                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=513771&page=5

                Unfortunately, I did not find it before. Thank you for the research!

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                  #98
                  New research tool

                  My fellow collectors ,

                  After having read the last posts to this topic I think it´s time to present my new "research tool"...

                  It is the 1940 Edition of the

                  "Deutsches Reichs Adressbuch , of the Trade and the Industry"

                  It represents something equivalent to the "yellow pages" you will find today.
                  People were able to search and find suppliers and / or producers of anything that was available in the german reich back then..

                  So let us start looking for...hmm..let`s say Feldflaschen for example...

                  OK here we are...on the pages 12,70, and so on..we are supposed to find suppliers for Feldflaschen...
                  Attached Files

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                    #99
                    ...here on this sample page we find the ads of different makers such as Rudolf Fissler of Idar Oberstein and some more ...
                    Some of you my fellow collectors might even be tempted to translate These in
                    their mind into their possible three letter maker marks...
                    chances are that we can see here makers such as ...
                    RFI , CFL ,FWBN , SM , OLHM or even ZPStZ...
                    Attached Files

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                      here are two previously unknown or unnoticed advertisers for Feldflaschen...


                      Diemer&Fastenrath of Lüdenscheid could be the Producer of this D&FL marked
                      drinking cup...
                      and maybe Marsteller and Killmann of Kettwig were in Charge for this MKK marked canteen....
                      Attached Files

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                        Still no proof.. but very likely ,don`t you think so ?

                        And here the ad of

                        MN that I think is not Müller /Nürnberg
                        Attached Files

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                          Ciao Bernhard, as always too much interestin what you say
                          What is the date of your new "book"?

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                            Another fast question, are all rigth about the list of member Suimpftarn?
                            Or this guy need to change only the city of AEM.A?

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                              Bernhard - thank you for the regular, interesting scans!
                              They are very helpful in "deciphering" manufacturers.

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                                Originally posted by Bernhard View Post
                                My fellow collectors ,

                                After having read the last posts to this topic I think it´s time to present my new "research tool"...

                                It is the 1940 Edition of the

                                "Deutsches Reichs Adressbuch , of the Trade and the Industry"

                                It represents something equivalent to the "yellow pages" you will find today.
                                People were able to search and find suppliers and / or producers of anything that was available in the german reich back then..

                                So let us start looking for...hmm..let`s say Feldflaschen for example...

                                OK here we are...on the pages 12,70, and so on..we are supposed to find suppliers for Feldflaschen...
                                Now this is a hell of a book. Great piece! Would be extremely helpful

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