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**giorgios** · 03-12-2012, 02:54 AM

Originally posted by LOTHRINGEN View Post

PLease Give the exact link... I didn t manage to find it

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=471970

**clint-magnum** · 03-12-2012, 03:41 AM

Originally posted by giorgios View Post

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=471970

thanks for the link .
but from this pic , I would say those crates have not the same kind of straps .

**giorgios** · 03-12-2012, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by clint-magnum View Post

thanks for the link .
but from this pic , I would say those crates have not the same kind of straps .

why that has to be 100% the same?
the german army had only one version of
those white straps? come on...

**Bergflak** · 03-13-2012, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by Willi Zahn

I like some of the pouches on that thread, but not all. Those words above do not state which ones I liked. At the time I had no strong opinion on any of them. After seeing your 3-cell, and a 6-cell just like it, I don't like them. That doesn't apply to the other early 6-cell pouches, based on those photos.

Well, everybody is entitled to an opinion. I much prefer those that can teach me something new or shed some light on a subject. "I don't like it" is a dead-end to conversation and new knowledge. The 3 cell pouch and at least 3 of the 6-cell pouches share some very unique features to their rear side, while at the same time they differ in materials. If they were not all manufactured for the WH I really wonder who could have made them and used them identical with the rest of the shown pouches. If they are postwar surplus, how come they are made with the same unique identifying features? The periode photos clearly show the sloppy sewing of edges and the closing leather tab, so there is no reason to doubt their very existence. And how did they end up spread around most of Europe.
Don't get me wrong; I don't fancy any of them, as they are "non-official issue" in my eyes. But there are just too many coincidences, pictures and unanswered questions to write them off.

**Sonnenwende** · 03-13-2012, 12:44 PM

Ditto that Bergflak!

Thanks for showing the pouch that opened this interesting thread.

I see the similarity between the crude 6-cells and your pouch, and I would not mind having it in my collection at all as a rare, unusual bird.

Regards Sonnenwende

**Willi Z.** · 03-14-2012, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Bergflak View Post

Well, everybody is entitled to an opinion. I much prefer those that can teach me something new or shed some light on a subject. "I don't like it" is a dead-end to conversation and new knowledge. The 3 cell pouch and at least 3 of the 6-cell pouches share some very unique features to their rear side, while at the same time they differ in materials. If they were not all manufactured for the WH I really wonder who could have made them and used them identical with the rest of the shown pouches. If they are postwar surplus, how come they are made with the same unique identifying features? The periode photos clearly show the sloppy sewing of edges and the closing leather tab, so there is no reason to doubt their very existence. And how did they end up spread around most of Europe.
Don't get me wrong; I don't fancy any of them, as they are "non-official issue" in my eyes. But there are just too many coincidences, pictures and unanswered questions to write them off.

I agree with much of what you just said. Honestly, I am rethinking my views on these as I have seen some more photos, seen more of the same features, and had a few discussions with others.

**Willi Z.** · 03-14-2012, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by giorgios View Post

these straps came out of original german army ammo wooden crates..
there is another threat here..the "waffenentgiftungmittel" is the title...go to
post #5# by the member GRAN SASSO and you will see in his picture
german crates with those white handles

I have some empty 8mm 1500-round crates with handles as well. Haven't looked at them in a while, but I will try to dig them out and take a look.

**Sonnenwende** · 03-15-2012, 12:21 AM

Hi Willi,
the straps on the pouches are definately not german Ammo-crate straps:

http://wehrmachts.kisten.free.fr/patronenkast88.htm

those have a different weave and have red stripes.

There is not doubt, if you look at them closely, that the pouch straps are made of MG cloth bands of some kind, on some of the posted pictures you can see where the cartridges would fit.

Regards Sonnenwende

**Nigromontanus** · 03-15-2012, 02:48 PM

An utterly interesting thread. MP40 seems to be more a science than MP44....

**Laurent_3.2** · 11-04-2012, 03:21 AM

Hello,

Not really a specialist of the MP40 pouch but I own the same pouch.
Sorry with my so bad english

Found by a friend of mine in the south west of France 3 month ago.
This friend is not a german WW2 collector;

It was found in a farm of a french resistant, this resistant (partisan is maybe the good word ) shoted at the end WW2.

This pouch was found with a nice MP38 and his nice muzzle cap

, with the 3 magazines filled with ammunitions all dated 1942, and the loader.

All those last informations are only here to inform you that all is coherent with a WW2 production pouch..

(all munitions presents on this photo are deactivated)
(I do not have the MP38, neither muzzle cap)

**LOTHRINGEN** · 11-06-2012, 12:24 PM

Great find :tongue out:
always a pleasure to see something special

**Willi Z.** · 11-06-2012, 01:15 PM

Interesting to see another one of these pouches. With an interesting history on the pouch.

I was certainly incorrect in my earlier opinion regarding my doubts on the webbing.

**LOTHRINGEN** · 11-06-2012, 01:48 PM

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**Bergflak** · 11-10-2012, 11:12 AM

Now check this one:
 http://www.raskantik.com/varergr/v-d.../pd2209/pd.htm

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**clint-magnum** · 11-10-2012, 12:22 PM

I cannot open the link ??

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