trouser belts

[corporalSteiner]

hi all, the motor book verlag german uniforms book is a nicely put together item, but i cant remember if someone may have suggested some items in it werent of period issue.
re the item pictured, can anyone comment on these belt items, found in the 1944 section? did the wehrmacht have issue trouser belts like these shown? in this left hand pic too are braces...does anyone have any info or pics of their own belt items like these? it would be interetsing to see them.thanks in advance.

[corporalSteiner]

what's interesting here is gentlemen have obviously sniffed around this thread but so far no one seems any the wiser. it seems a fair idea that heer troops were issued belts...and just as fair to assume these became widely used 'to death' after the war. and, as a result, are now seldom seen. im just hoping someone out there in the collecting field is in a position to chip in with their take on this item. thanks for the interest anyway.

[Gran Sasso]

The belts are 100% neither M44 nor german military belts at all - the suspenders have a chance, although I personal doubt it.

M44 belts are so rare, in 25 years I have seen ONE original one, and that one I found at a fleamarket 2 years ago, for 1,-EUR.

[David Fettes]

I have a Luftwaffe blue belt like the one in the book, however we do know that there are some items in the volume that are either fake, post war or not even German at all. I would agree that such items should have been used until they rotted post war but there are still plenty of original trousers, belts, great coats etc etc that have survived in near mint condition.

[corporalSteiner]

thanks gentlemen...
we seem to have differing views on this specific item...
to help me not feel muddled on this subject...could you gentlemen care to show your belts...?
fleamarket belt and blue one.
without seeing these, it isnt so easy knowing what there is to know.
what are the belts pictured? fake? or other army? innocent post war items....or what....?
from the answers so far, the item is neither ww2 heer and ww2 heer.
im very grateful to have such responses...and hope we may see these items and decide further. if, indeed, informed decision is an option!
i humbly ask.if these arent ww2 german, then from where do they originate?
many thanks in advance, gentlemen!

[Gran Sasso]

Heres an original one for sale (restored) - looks simular to mine, will post pics of mine tomorrow:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=466427

[Gran Sasso]

what are the belts pictured? fake? or other army? innocent post war items....or what....?

They look selfmade to me - look at the poor (hand)-stitching.

[David Fettes]

I will try and dig my belt out and have a look at the stitching, I think I only paid a quid for mine many years ago.

[Jos L C]

The belts in the book look like been made of gasmask canister straps or something and the suspenders were made by using particular gasmask parts .., all look postwar done IMO.

Jos.

[corporalSteiner]

thanks for the thread ref, gran sasso
let me say this....
i know this style of belt, referenced....indeed, they are commonly available as repro items for reenactment.
what i am yet to settle is the legitimacy of the ones i originally pictured-and whether these are also heer....
im unclear now about whether we are talking about two belts legitimately heer...
as i understand it...the war progresses and braces become less used by heer...trouser belts replace braces....the question is...what is the full range of belts issued to heer troops to serve this purpose..?any other ideas would be welcome!!
poor hand stitching is a blight in otherwise reasonable repros, as gran sasso says...i cant see so well what the back belt stitching looks like...so i cant say completely one thing or other re stitching....but stitching is an important judgment factor on authenticity and quality, for sure. many repro items just show bad attitude on this score-wrong thread, bad stitching, it beggars belief! but how many repros out there have fooled collectors simply because they were beautifully stitched...?

[uscob]

Some years ago I got one from 2 boy's who bought it as original from a well known Hamburg dealer but sadly it was made out of a East German Kalashnikow Strap.

[Theoderich]

I think that these are "44 trousers belts" The longer one ist dirctly from a vet!

[Grubhy]

These are RKKA waist belts worn with pouches, map cases etc. Very nice!

[anmarlodz]

I think that these are "44 trousers belts" The longer one ist dirctly from a vet!

agree with Robert these are red army belts.

[Theoderich]

Oh, as i said, the longer, green one is from Wehrmacht veteran, he told me that he wore it in ww2! The other one is a fleamarket find in germany! So maybe both are "Beutegut"