Entrenching tool Austrian ??

[SOLDAT1]

Hi All
Here is a Entrenching tool i have and not sure of origin Austrian? it is stamped under flap 1937 and a three letter stamp in a box **A any thoughts please?

Rob

[SOLDAT1]

Entrenching tool

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Hi All
Here is a Entrenching tool i have and not sure of origin Austrian? it is stamped under flap 1937 and a three letter stamp in a box **A any thoughts please?

Rob

[Chris Chalupa]

Yes, this is Austrian and I believe the carrier is correct for that shovel. Chris

[SOLDAT1]

Yes, this is Austrian and I believe the carrier is correct for that shovel. Chris

Hi Chris
thanks for the confirmation I thought it was Austrian but was not shore
thanks

Rob

[mietek]

Hi.

I have some more remarks about this shovel.
Same pattern shovels, based on Austrian WW1, were used by Polish, Czech and later German army. As I know were produced in Poland and Czech.
Still it is not clear and easy to recognise production of different countries.
Polish shovels were produced by different manufacturers. I heard about markings: MARS (+year for example 1935), RADOMSKO (+year), METAL RADOMSKO (+yera), letters A and S in the circle.
In my opinion it is not possible to confirm 100% Austrian origin, or you are sure that it's Austrian marking.

mietek

Ps However doesn't meter, it's nice shovel and what is not common - with frame.

[SOLDAT1]

Hi.

I have some more remarks about this shovel.
Same pattern shovels, based on Austrian WW1, were used by Polish, Czech and later German army. As I know were produced in Poland and Czech.
Still it is not clear and easy to recognise production of different countries.
Polish shovels were produced by different manufacturers. I heard about markings: MARS (+year for example 1935), RADOMSKO (+year), METAL RADOMSKO (+yera), letters A and S in the circle.
In my opinion it is not possible to confirm 100% Austrian origin, or you are sure that it's Austrian marking.

mietek

Ps However doesn't meter, it's nice shovel and what is not common - with frame.

Hi mietek
Thanks for the information the reason I posted this is because of other armies similar types of spades found a picture of German soldier wearing one like this the other day with that distinct leather reinforcement piece at the point,

thanks all the best

Robert
Rob

[mietek]

Hi.

German used captured spadels, so in German service could be Polish, Czech, Austrian. During the war, or after, because of similarities, spades and leather frames could be exchanged.
I forgot to write, Romania also used that type, I'm not sure they produced it, or used Austrian ww1 and Polish pre-ww2.
I have same type, without markings, from Polish military warehouse, there were also Germans ww2. I have no idea what origin is mine (I hope Polish )

mietek

PS Polish frame looks like: http://www.allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=22715326 - this is not original of course.

PS2 It is quite unusual to paint spadle wooden handle, maybe you could check who used that color for painting? Of course if it's original painting.

[SOLDAT1]

Hi mietek
looking at the link mine does not looklike the polish one, this did come from a guy on e bay from Austria! i have a spade without a cover as well that is exactly the same, the cover is marked 1937, will take a closer look at them again for markings

thanks mietek

Rob