Cono Canteen

[Luis22]

Hello Guys,

Got this Coco no date on canteen but the strap is marked 1943..Opinions welcome

thanks,

[mambo]

dont like the look of that stitching
or the buckle
is there any markings on the metal webbing ends?

[Luis22]

dont like the look of that stitching
or the buckle
is there any markings on the metal webbing ends?

Nope no markings..

[Michael Kuligowski]

straps look repro/fake

[Dmv]

Don't like it, also note the "Alforit" mark?
Looks a civilian type to me.

No HRE + date mark...

[Admiraal]

Its a messed with civilian canteen IMO.
I got one just like that somewhere, on mine the metal hook is attached to the leather strap arround the bottle neck, like on HJ canteens.

[Bond]

Hi, its a post war version of the coconut type, with either post war or fake strap, I've got one and learned my lesson!

JerryB

[JonB]

Coconut canteen.

@Luis22,
Hope you didn't pay top dollar for this, because as has been mentioned, it certainly doesn't date from 1943

Sad to see an ink stamp trying to convince potential buyers of wartime origin, and trust it didn't fool you.

The bottle in this example undoubtedly originated from one of the wartime moulds left in the Ritter factory following May '45.

If it's no trouble, I'd be interested to know if there is, or isn't, a single or double digit number below the "Ritter Alfurit D.R.P. a" impression you show in one of your photos.
If a number is present, what is it please?

I have a theory about these for which I'm collecting evidence.

Thanks in advance for taking the trouble to reply.

[MULON]

Hi, its a post war version of the coconut type, with either post war or fake strap,

JerryB

I agree

[Luis22]

@Luis22,
Hope you didn't pay top dollar for this, because as has been mentioned, it certainly doesn't date from 1943

Sad to see an ink stamp trying to convince potential buyers of wartime origin, and trust it didn't fool you.

The bottle in this example undoubtedly originated from one of the wartime moulds left in the Ritter factory following May '45.

If it's no trouble, I'd be interested to know if there is, or isn't, a single or double digit number below the "Ritter Alfurit D.R.P. a" impression you show in one of your photos.
If a number is present, what is it please?

I have a theory about these for which I'm collecting evidence.

Thanks in advance for taking the trouble to reply.

No number below Ritter markings . Seeing the overall condition I also think is a post war model made by the same company. (or probably surplus never used)... I paid $45 probably too much for a post war but still a beautiful canteen ...

[JonB]

@Luis22,

Many thanks for your answer. I know of thirteen different "Ritter Alfurit D.R.P. a" mould markings.
I don't reckon you paid too much over the odds; just a shame no cup came with it...

To everyone:

My theory is, and which has always struck me as potentially more than just a coincidence, 13 is the same number of moulds that I am aware were in use in 1945.
I'd very much welcome additional information as evidence of coconut markings, especially 1945 &/or Ritter Alfurit, that any members can offer from surviving coconuts in their possession or of which they may know.

What quantities of coconut canteens/bottles themselves were remaining "surplus" at the end of the war, i.e. produced but incomplete, e.g. missing caps, straps, etc. is a very good question to which it is likely we will never know the definitive answer.
The only overall volume I know is that 2 million were produced, according to the M.D. of Ritter during the period up to the end of the 1950s when they were made.

I suspect a quantity of 1943 made bottles were unissued at the end of the war, coming onto the market with the final pattern black Bakelite caps & a much simplified 'furniture' consisting of nothing more than a neck strap to stop the cap being lost & incorporating a steel carabiner clip.
The Ritter Alfurit marked bottles are to my knowledge encountered with brown, black and green leather straps, besides web & leather straps, these being both similar to, as well as varying from, Luis22's example.

The only markings on genuine wartime web straps are the already well-known ones on the metal parts, plus Heinrich Ritter's ink stamp inside the leather neck strap.
(Moderator please edit this if it's felt I'm giving fakers too much information here...)

I've encountered manufacturer & user markings from after the war that are most frequently ink stamps on the inside of the rear leather strap to the securing stud under/press stud behind the bottle.
In my experience these are either Heinrich Ritter stamps from the second half of the 1950s, or user stamps, e.g. "Landespolizei Kreiskommissariat Reutlingen", to which Ritter in Esslingen would have been a local supplier.

The next area I'd like to see discussed relating to these coconuts is the 1L (yes, One Litre) capacity variant, of which I'm aware Mulon owns an example, but something I'm otherwise unclear about in terms of how commonly these are encountered, their possible production period, and other related topics.

Hoping this post hasn't bored anyone, I look forward with gratitude to reading any new information relevant to this, my main equipment/field gear interest.

[Luis22]

@Luis22,

Many thanks for your answer. I know of thirteen different "Ritter Alfurit D.R.P. a" mould markings.
I don't reckon you paid too much over the odds; just a shame no cup came with it...

To everyone:

My theory is, and which has always struck me as potentially more than just a coincidence, 13 is the same number of moulds that I am aware were in use in 1945.
I'd very much welcome additional information as evidence of coconut markings, especially 1945 &/or Ritter Alfurit, that any members can offer from surviving coconuts in their possession or of which they may know.

What quantities of coconut canteens/bottles themselves were remaining "surplus" at the end of the war, i.e. produced but incomplete, e.g. missing caps, straps, etc. is a very good question to which it is likely we will never know the definitive answer.
The only overall volume I know is that 2 million were produced, according to the M.D. of Ritter during the period up to the end of the 1950s when they were made.

I suspect a quantity of 1943 made bottles were unissued at the end of the war, coming onto the market with the final pattern black Bakelite caps & a much simplified 'furniture' consisting of nothing more than a neck strap to stop the cap being lost & incorporating a steel carabiner clip.
The Ritter Alfurit marked bottles are to my knowledge encountered with brown, black and green leather straps, besides web & leather straps, these being both similar to, as well as varying from, Luis22's example.

The only markings on genuine wartime web straps are the already well-known ones on the metal parts, plus Heinrich Ritter's ink stamp inside the leather neck strap.
(Moderator please edit this if it's felt I'm giving fakers too much information here...)

I've encountered manufacturer & user markings from after the war that are most frequently ink stamps on the inside of the rear leather strap to the securing stud under/press stud behind the bottle.
In my experience these are either Heinrich Ritter stamps from the second half of the 1950s, or user stamps, e.g. "Landespolizei Kreiskommissariat Reutlingen", to which Ritter in Esslingen would have been a local supplier.

The next area I'd like to see discussed relating to these coconuts is the 1L (yes, One Litre) capacity variant, of which I'm aware Mulon owns an example, but something I'm otherwise unclear about in terms of how commonly these are encountered, their possible production period, and other related topics.

Hoping this post hasn't bored anyone, I look forward with gratitude to reading any new information relevant to this, my main equipment/field gear interest.

Jon,

I recall reading somewhere that all this Ritter patented canteens were war period. Surplus from the war that were found and then sold. Probably Mulon knows more about this...Its difficult to believe that these canteens were produced inmediately after the war due to the fact that germany was in ruins??

[MULON]

A friend of mine write me this:

D.R.G.M. Deutsches Reich Gebrauchsmuster. (German Reich Registered Design) - Pre 1949
D.B.G.M. Deutsches Bundes Gebrauchsmuster. (German Federal Registered Design) - Post 1949
D.R.P. Deutsches Reichpatent. (German Reich Patent) - Pre 1949
D.B.P. Deutsches Bundespatent. (German Federal Patent) - Post 1949

After reding this, the logic would dictate that this canteen is war time.

But to my knowledge, the war time canteens like coconut must have written these:

D.R.G.M.
HRE41/42/43/45
D.R.P. angm

I don't know nothing about this Ritter Alfurit (made from 45 to 49???), and I'd like to learn more....can anybody help me/us?
Thanks,Giancarlo.

[Luis22]

A friend of mine write me this:

D.R.G.M. Deutsches Reich Gebrauchsmuster. (German Reich Registered Design) - Pre 1949
D.B.G.M. Deutsches Bundes Gebrauchsmuster. (German Federal Registered Design) - Post 1949
D.R.P. Deutsches Reichpatent. (German Reich Patent) - Pre 1949
D.B.P. Deutsches Bundespatent. (German Federal Patent) - Post 1949

After reding this, the logic would dictate that this canteen is war time.

But to my knowledge, the war time canteens like coconut must have written these:

D.R.G.M.
HRE41/42/43/45
D.R.P. angm

I don't know nothing about this Ritter Alfurit (made from 45 to 49???), and I'd like to learn more....can anybody help me/us?
Thanks,Giancarlo.

Thanks I believe thats what I read somewhere,,,,

[MULON]

I'm always happy when I can help the collectors friend.....and sorry for my not good english

Uh, I remember when my "mamma" says to me: "Studia, te vederà che l'Inglese te servirà"....la gaveva ragion

Any italian friend can "translate it?