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    #1

    vary late and simply construction m44 breadbag

    HI

    I would like to show you this brotbeutel for an opinion. It is the late war M44 brotbeutel. The design is very straightforward. There has never been inside the strips to pockets. Simplified D-rings design. there never was a central loop on it.. IMHO this is a unusuall verson of the end of war.
    I would like to know your opinions on this version.

    please take a look - there is two Drings on right loop and only one on left - I think that second Dring was for watherbottle and messkit was carried on Aframe

    ofcourse other Dring was used to breadbag strap

    and photos
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    #2
    A-frames were discontinued in late 1943 so would be a problem with 44 or 45 made A-frames . ( the same think is with folding shovel ). So there would be problem with as you said messkit carried on the A-frame . offcourse soldiers in 45 could used earlier made A-frames but more probably would be carrying messkits in backpack or on the breadbag.
    about breadbag - I would said that is unfinished m44 breadbag.

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      #3
      Frozzer

      Very interesting to say the least, could be very late war variation, or something made from left over parts in the postwar period or as stated an unfinished M44. Though why the two D-rings on the belt loops.

      M44 Breadbag

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        #4
        Originally posted by anmarlodz View Post
        A-frames were discontinued in late 1943 so would be a problem with 44 or 45 made A-frames . ( the same think is with folding shovel ). So there would be problem with as you said messkit carried on the A-frame . offcourse soldiers in 45 could used earlier made A-frames but more probably would be carrying messkits in backpack or on the breadbag.
        about breadbag - I would said that is unfinished m44 breadbag.
        I have two late war A-Frames, one I consider very late, both are made from left over early war tunic internal straps, both are RB numbered. The one I consider very late war has a more simplified construction in that the upper hook straps are missing with the upper hooks sewn to the the upper part of the A.

        BB

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          #5
          Originally posted by M44 Breadbag View Post
          I have two late war A-Frames, one I consider very late, both are made from left over early war tunic internal straps, both are RB numbered. The one I consider very late war has a more simplified construction in that the upper hook straps are missing with the upper hooks sewn to the the upper part of the A.

          BB
          I consider those A-frames made from the internal jacket support straps as made in 1943 and not in any further date. As you may know RB Nr was introduced in late 1942 so any item marked with Rb Nr could made in any time after that. if I will not see a A-frame dated 1944 or further date than I will still be beliving and saying that A-frames were discontinued in 1943 ( could agree that some of A-frames might have been made in early 44 but defiantely not in futher days ).
          One thing says that my belief is right; the artillery rucksack which has sewn two additional straps were introduced in 44 and were made to fullified the task of A-frame as carrier of Zelthbanh and messkit.
          the same with folding shovels and carrirs - till I will not see any dated 44 than I will saying that they discontinued in 43.

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            Originally posted by anmarlodz View Post
            I consider those A-frames made from the internal jacket support straps as made in 1943 and not in any further date. As you may know RB Nr was introduced in late 1942 so any item marked with Rb Nr could made in any time after that. if I will not see a A-frame dated 1944 or further date than I will still be beliving and saying that A-frames were discontinued in 1943 ( could agree that some of A-frames might have been made in early 44 but defiantely not in futher days ).
            One thing says that my belief is right; the artillery rucksack which has sewn two additional straps were introduced in 44 and were made to fullified the task of A-frame as carrier of Zelthbanh and messkit.
            the same with folding shovels and carrirs - till I will not see any dated 44 than I will saying that they discontinued in 43.
            Not to get off topic, but we all have our opinions, I consider my A-frames to be late war. The thing about the artillery rucksack replacing the A-frame I've heard to, but have seen no evidence. Last point I saw at the spring Ciney show an A-frame that came from the Bavaria Filmwerk, it was RB marked and dated 44! no doubt about it's originality I went for it but another collector beat me to it. I also have in my collection a 44 dated with RB number A-frame bag go figure!

            BB

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              #7
              nice and propably never finished breadbag, no matter how late in war - they would put buttons on it if this one was to be finished

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                #8
                Indeed, very nice breadbag variation... unfortunately we don't know when this was made......

                btw. about the Artillery rucksack : this was introduced in 1940 (HM 298 dated 21.2.40)

                Tom
                www.mp44.nl

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Michael Kuligowski View Post
                  nice and propably never finished breadbag, no matter how late in war - they would put buttons on it if this one was to be finished
                  got to correct myself - just now I spotted button on this one - for some reason I didnt spot them before...
                  anyway - nice bag :d

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by MP44_tom View Post
                    Indeed, very nice breadbag variation... unfortunately we don't know when this was made......

                    btw. about the Artillery rucksack : this was introduced in 1940 (HM 298 dated 21.2.40)

                    Tom
                    www.mp44.nl
                    I know that artillery rucksack was introduced in 1940 but you seems not understand why I kind of artillery rucksack I was writing about - the artillery rucksack with two frontal straps for zelthbahn - this type was introduced in 44 not in 40.

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                      #11
                      Again not true IMHO ..... I know i have an artillery backpack with the straps, dated 1943

                      Haven't checked the other ones I have..

                      Do you have a HM or Heeres Verordnungsblatt proving this ? I'd like to know..

                      Tom
                      www.mp44.nl

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by anmarlodz View Post
                        I know that artillery rucksack was introduced in 1940 but you seems not understand why I kind of artillery rucksack I was writing about - the artillery rucksack with two frontal straps for zelthbahn - this type was introduced in 44 not in 40.
                        What use then did my 44 dated A-Frame bag have? I looked closer at my, what I consider very late A-Frame. The 4 metal clip used to secure it to the Y-straps are the later type made from a piece of strip metal and then bent into shape, again a later war feature seen on very late war rucksacks.
                        BB

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                          #13
                          Nice ersatz, breadbag is finite, the third bar was not be.

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                            #14
                            Is there some kind of internal separation or has this light-coloured thing we can see on two distinct pictures just been placed there to keep the breadbag in shape ?

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                              #15
                              Breadbag modell 44/45

                              Found today, see here:
                              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...33#post5970733

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