Carrier and warning flags mines

[Uncle Goose]

That's a new one on me, do you have a source on that?

BB

That I want to know too, which gas they used??


And indeed, you can quarantine a zone in certain cases like mustard gas (which isn't a gas in the strict sense of the word, it's more an aerosol then a real gas), mustard gas can contaminate an area for weeks and while it's not so lethal any more it still can cause serious blisters on the lower torso of humans and animals. The area can be decontaminated with bleaching powder.

[MP44_tom]

Hi

In Germany the gas types were as follows:

Weißkreuz (white cross)
Blaukreuz (Blue cross)
Grünkreuz (Green cross)
Gelbkreuz (Yellow cross)

In this case we are talking about the Gelbkreuz. These are the so called "Hautgifte" (poison that affects the skin) like "Senfgas Lost" which is indeed muster gas.

This gas contaminates an area and indeed can be decontaminated with bleaching powder (like losantin)

In fact, on this picture you can see that they are decontaminating the area



The soldier is holding a so call "Spürbüchse"

Now this is an item I really would like to have, so if someone recognises it and own such an item

Hope this helps a little

Tom
www.mp44.nl

[M44 Breadbag]

Tom

I've heard of the types available to Germans the question was what type was used, if in fact it was, at Sevastopol.

Cool photo BTW, obviously a training event.

BB

[IanC]

This has turned into a very interesting thread.

In Chris Bellamy's book "Absolute War: Soviet Russia in the Second World War" , within the chapter "To the edge of the Abyss" there is a paragraph which claims that the Germans used "toxic smoke" to clear the Russians out of the caverns below Sevastopol.

The paragraph continues with:

These were probably non-persistent agents - quick acting gases whose effect would diminish very quickly

There were other instances of Germans using asphyxiating gas...... against the Odessa catacombs in November 1941 and at the end of May 1942 in the recapture of the Kerch peninsula against fighters in the Adzhimushkay quarry.

Regards

Ian

[M44 Breadbag]

This has turned into a very interesting thread.

In Chris Bellamy's book "Absolute War: Soviet Russia in the Second World War" , within the chapter "To the edge of the Abyss" there is a paragraph which claims that the Germans used "toxic smoke" to clear the Russians out of the caverns below Sevastopol.

The paragraph continues with:



Regards

Ian

One paragraph in one book does not convince me the German used poison gas in combat during WWII. I would need more evidence to even consider otherwise.

BB

[Grossfuss]

Warning flags

Hi,
Apologies for the quality of pictures - today's not been a good one for outdoor photography.
Here's my set, tape purchased separately. Anyone know anything about the larger flag?
Also two pics taken by Charles Brown after the end of the war of German POW's clearing mines - note the flags near the guy on his own (nice haircuts!).
These pictures are from pages 172 & 173 of "The War in the Channel Islands, Then and Now" by Winston Ramsey - After the Battle publications.
I first saw these flags in the Guernsey Occupation Museum in 1969 and just had to have one! After a second visit the following year I was given one of the first pattern as payment for making a replacement spring for the takedown catch on a P'08 belonging to a Guernsey firearms collector (I did that sort of thing in those days!)
Look back through the pictures and you'll see the earlier flags had an eyelet pressed on the end of the horizontal part and the flags are hand tied by a small string. The later version dispenses with the eyelet and uses a small spiked steel clip to hold the flag to the pole.
Good hunting,
Grossfuss

[Grossfuss]

Warning flags

Pic #2

[Grossfuss]

Warning flags

Pic #3

[Grossfuss]

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Pic #4
What is it?

[Grossfuss]

Warning flags

Pic #5
Note the flags - seems to enjoy his work!

[Grossfuss]

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Pic #6 - last one
Human Rights Act - what's that?

[The Jackal]

Hi Grossfuss,

Thanks for the pictures. Great to learn more about it!

Jac

[Grossfuss]

Warning flags

Brought back to the top for MP44_tom!

[MP44_tom]

Very nice pouch ..... first one I see with leather reinforcement at the bottom... do you have some close up pictures ?

Nice to see that these were used as mine flag, but only under captured circumstances (if you know what I mean)

I never saw them use by german forces for mines.

Tom
www.mp44.nl

[MaxxBrunn1938]

OK here is a good one for you folks. Wish I still had these 2 flags but as a teen back in the late 70s I traded them off to a dealer that was really interested in them at a military show.
I had 2 RED colored flags that were tagged coming from Juno Beach that my grandmothers brother brought back from the war. These were exactly like the yellow ones but red. What would they have been?
I don't remember what I traded them for at that time but I'm sure I got taken.

Joe