another late war canteen with brown cup!

[MULON]

5/5

[MULON]

In the cup with the green I replaced the original strap.There were very dry and have broken.Fortunataely I had one, always late, incomplete and ruined but with good brown belt, and I replaced it.

[Glenn Barbaritz]

another great example Mulon. love these late war pieces. Im looking myself for a nice one. some great comments too from Lucius. thats what I love about this forum. there are experts on almost every item produced out there. its almost a sickness isnt it. Glenn

[Luciusdegeer]

Ciao Mulon,

English is also not my language, but I think we have to use it on this American forum. I want to learn Italian, because I visited your beautiful country several times, but we could write in other languages. Perhaps French or German? As I am Flemish/Belgian, I understand both. Writing is more difficult...

I share your interest in canteens: they can tell us a lot about the soldier's life in the field. When I told you I owned some 70 canteens over the years, I did not exaggerate. Most of them I sold or traded on militaria shows (fairs) like Ciney or Arlon. Some 50 % of them were the post-war/early war type (black or olive green aluminium cup, aluminium body and screw cap), but the most interesting are (to my opinion) the later ones: bakelite cups, steel cups painted green or enamelled (like the brown one from your post)... My experience is however that a canteen that is NOT re-assembled is rather rare in our days. The early ones were made by a few factories (for example MN or CFL), but with the war and the increase in the number of makers, the variations also became more numerous. This is a very interesting field. I tried to collect all the variations, but this is virtually impossible... Now I own 15 different canteens in a small collection. Nothing very rare: as Isaid your brown late-war cup is something unique. Gratulations for that!

Buona Sera, Lucius

[Luciusdegeer]

Hey Glenn,

Right said, it's a sickness, but a good one! Certainly a lot better than the flu I'm stuck with today... That's the reason why I can post these long replies though...

Lucius

[MULON]

Glenn, I am always very pleased to hear your comments, thanks.

Lucius, I have many questions for you, many .... I go to sleep that I need to go to work, but I will just have to disturb you with many questions.
I was very intrigued by the speech of the reassembly of the factory.
I think you have to at least some untouched, one of them a wonderful coconut with yellow Bakelite in the mouth.
Look, I just do not get that with the passing riveted to the poster collection largely complete and talk, much, with you and all those who will want, ok?
Good night, tomorrow!

Just picture for tonight,this cabinet is arrived yesterday,and is on work for tmy canteens and mess kit collection,and other..

[Luciusdegeer]

Hey Mulon.

I too have to work tomorrow, so this is my last post. You can ask more questions later (I have some questions too). Perhaps you can post the questions in Italian with the English translation? Congratulations on your nice collection! The canteens with brown straps are very nice...

Greetings,
Lucius

[Zeller]

Hi, I would like to jump in this discussion because it is very interesting. Not only for the fact that between you two, you have something like about 80 canteens!

I was also about to bid on this canteen, but I knew that Mulon wanted it badly and I couldn't outbid him when he wants something...
Ok, here are my comments:

MENESA appears to be another name for Eberspächer, a firm based in Neunkirchen (Saar). I have no informations about her activities during WW2 but it was started in the late 1800, so they were probably very active on the war manufacturing. This firm produced and still produces industrial,civilian and military products; in the early 50's they supplied french army during the Indochina and Algeria wars with military supplies (for example the M1951 helmet). Now, here's my question...why a german firm should stamp a military canteen with civilian markings, in french language? I believe that the flask is probably destined to civilian use (not sure if post or period). The rest of the canteen appears ok to me,but as said, assembled.
Just my 2 euro cents.
Matt

[MULON]

Matteo thanks for the interest / help.
Your doubts are all there, but I will not answer.
That is better, probably not ever know why or how this strange "composition".
It 'probably true what you say about the factory and its production, but it is true that altrttanto is impossible to know whether, for example with a few OKW directive was not willing to use all possible resources of the occupied territories, especially towards the end of war, are full of crises.
I do not know and probably will not ever, so we can move forward only on assumptions and data.
The assumptions we made and objective data are reported so far, that all reasonable construction period to war.
I note with pleasure that your proverbial pessimism is always an input to a few topics
MULON/Giancarlo

[Zeller]

Hi Giancarlo,
it sounded ok in the italian forum, but the automatic translation is a mess

I know what you mean, and I think that all the doubts will be eventually cleared here on WAF...

Matt

[MULON]

[unorosso]

Ciao Giancarlo, ci sentiamo anche qui eh ? Che dirti, le tue borracce sono sempre le più belle.

Pino

[MULON]

Ciao Giancarlo, ci sentiamo anche qui eh ? Che dirti, le tue borracce sono sempre le più belle.

Pino

Hi Pino,what a surprise,thanks for the compliments

[unorosso]

So, are you speaking English right now ? Cool.

[Zeller]

anyone else?