LW Breadbag??

[Stepdale]

Hello,
I've collected WH field gear for quite a long time, but this is the first one like this I've seen. Everything appears original, looks unused but has some rust to metal parts. Carrying straps are integral to the bag and not added later. Provisions for only one canteen or messkit like some of the RW or political breadbags. Middle short strap to interior is canvas and same material as rest of the bag. LW color and RB number appears original. Could it be LW flak helper or just a late war model? Appreciate anybody's opinions.
Thank you,
Dale

[Stepdale]

Reverse

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Interior

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Stamped RB number

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Stamped RB number

[Michael Kuligowski]

looks like some simple model for NSFK etc.. - IMHo - looks real !

[Stepdale]

Michael,
I'm not sure they would have been making NSFK items by the midwar period, but it's not my specialty, so who knows. I've never seen any NSFK field gear before, but your idea seems about as good as any.
Thanks,
Dale

[zeugmeister]

HJ/DJ or BDM/JM used such Breadbags in Green, so maybe "Flieger HJ ? "

Dirk

[Stepdale]

Dirk,
Sounds about as plausible an explanation as any. I was hoping someone would know for sure, but I guess not.
Thanks,
Dale

[Stepdale]

Hello,
Well, its been 10 years since I posted this and still haven't seen another one until seeing this today on Bunker Militaria - http://www.bunkermilitaria.com/Merch...ategory_Code=B. I searched the WaF and found a couple of matching examples only in Heer colors, and I know there is no photographic evidence of these and they are considered to be either paramilitary or postwar. I just wanted to bring this back up to show what may be a LW version. Sorry for the poor photos, but I'm not at home so can't better ones (especially the RBNr) anytime soon.
Thank you,
Dale

[Ir 143]

NSFK Field gear.

Michael,
I'm not sure they would have been making NSFK items by the midwar period, but it's not my specialty, so who knows. I've never seen any NSFK field gear before, but your idea seems about as good as any.
Thanks,
Dale

NSFK have at least rucksack. I have one. Looks like Luftwaffe but older.

[Stepdale]

NSFK have at least rucksack. I have one. Looks like Luftwaffe but older.

Thanks, but would an NSFK item have an RBNr, or is it just that this could be an earlier NSFK bag that has had the number added later?
Dale

[sfmike1]

These breadbags have been discussed here before a while back:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=645517

Yes, they come in both Luft and Heer colors, are well-made, and always have the same RBNr. (0/0448/0078), meaning they were made but the same firm. There is no consensus as to what troops used them, or if they were for some para-military (or "helper") use. It is interesting that they all have an RBNr. (unlike para-military), but many have pointed out that the lack of belt loops makes it unlikely they were used in combat. Some have called these a "45 model", but the mystery needs to be solved with a photo someday.

My Heer version attached.
SF Mike

[Stepdale]

Thanks, Mike, a very informative thread. For now, I'm going to keep it in the still TBD box.
Dale

[sfmike1]

Thanks, Mike, a very informative thread. For now, I'm going to keep it in the still TBD box.
Dale

You're welcome Dale. My best guess on these is that they were made for para-military (or even civilian/camping) use, but maybe re-purposed late in the war for the military. I have no proof of course, but there was another controversial example posted here a few months ago - the same bread bag, but with an (obviously) added RG34 cleaning kit pocket (see photo). There are also other examples we've seen of "last ditch" or crudely finished bread bags that have a fixed strap, but 2 external keepers (for mess kit and canteen). Also see pic. This is a great area for more research.
SF Mike