K98 Pouch Value?

[kmh]

Be carefull

Hi Ray
<OAs a collector of ammo pouches I like to ask you for the specific name punched on the rear side.<O

Reason:
<OOriginal early 3 Reich all have sewing and aluminium fittings. Later all can be mixed rivets and steel fittings, but with all kind of mixed up executions.<O></O>

After the war the young BW need equipment, they got some new ammo pouches made from some of the well-known leathers makers. <O></O>

Carl Ackva from Bad Kreutznach was one, but a little speciality arose here regarding the firm name.


Prewar and wartime pouch are named Carl Ackva Lederfabrik Bad Kreutznach.


Postwar pouch are named Carl Ackva Lederwaren Bad Kreutznach.

So be very carefull they are a postwar manufacture real and original but from around 1950-1960.

Kim

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[Seigfried]

After the war the young BW need equipment, they got some new ammo pouches made from some of the well-known leathers makers. <O></O>

Carl Ackva from Bad Kreutznach was one, but a little speciality arose here regarding the firm name.


Prewar and wartime pouch are named Carl Ackva Lederfabrik Bad Kreutznach.


Postwar pouch are named Carl Ackva Lederwaren Bad Kreutznach.

So be very carefull they are a postwar manufacture real and original but from around 1950-1960.

Kim

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Did the young BW use K98s as well then if they used these pouches, and what other WH kit did they use? The earliest pic I have seen has them kitted out looking like very badly off GIs.

[CWP]

I have seen K98 pouches that look just like wartime ones with early 1950s dates. The BW still has K98s today for parade and ceremonial use.

Chris P.

[kmh]

Hi

As far I know the BW use a lot of surplus stuff origin from the war and supplied with newly made. But I guess it probably not goes later than 1960 and the prober entrence into NATO.

Regarding the equipment I haven't seen everything but I guess they use most of what they have used during the war, at least for a short periode of time. But not too sure.

Kim

[amydron]

thanks Kim,
Well you learn something everyday.
These are stamped Ackva Lederwaren Bad Kreuznach.
There is no date which has always puzzled me.
So these appear to be post WW2.
I never even knew the BW was issued with exact copies of 3rd Reich gear.
Any other members as surprised as I am?
I would think these would catch most collectors out.
I'd be interested in knowing your source of information about these.
Regards, RAY.

[kmh]

Hi

Thats correct it's the Presidential guard the "Wachtkompagnie" they use most of the old stuff, once a scandale occour some figured out there still was the old Nazi markings on the old stuff. And I think they get forced to remove it.

Kim

[kmh]

Hi Ray

It is quit simple thru my collecting I have got a lot of pouches from Germany, some from guy's who avoid telling the year and the thruth some others from honest guy's saying they was belonging to the Wachtkompanie or early BW. Most are stamped with manufacturing year and maker most common years is 1952 and 1959.

Kim

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[bodes]

Ray, I wouldn't worry so much about it......These still have historical significance......And they will still look nice in a collection......Most, if not all people seeing them will never be the wiser......My thoughts are, enjoy them..... Bodes

[kmh]

Bodes

Yes thats correct I guess the early BW is more difficult to get than the older ones, but still not wartime if you was looking for such ones.
Kim

[amydron]

No problem, I bought these long ago for a few shillings at the time.
They are lovely pouches which I have no intention of selling, and my other sets of pouches all have wartime dates stamped on them.
At least the mystery of why these were not dated appears to be solved.
Does anyone else own a pair of these which they had assumed to be 3rd Reich?
Regards,
RAY.

[kmh]

Hi

I just wanna say here please note a lot of pouches original wartime don't have any markings at all. Mostly the later one from obvious reasons the guys was pretty busy around.

Kim

[Johannes Schoen]

Hello,

I have a mint pouch which looks perfectly pre-war (all sewn, detachable straps for belt, all metall-parts Aluminium, D-ring). I was always wandering, if it is postwar, because it has no date. It is marked:
LEDERWERKE WINDELEN
HEINSBERG/RHLD.

Any ideas about this one?

I have also seen post-war pouches in shows with dates from the 1950s. Sometimes with the price-trag on the year, so be careful!

I once had a pouch wich was made in Bautzen in 1950. So there exist also post-war pouches from the DDR.

Do postwar-pouches have certain construction characeristics?

Johannes

[kmh]

Hi

Good questions!! let me try to solve it out; The Maker you mention have two way's of markings. One on a strait line and one in a circle. The strait one haven't years I guess it's war time but hard to say.

The Bautzen pouch could origin from either wartime stock or newly made thru the machinery left behind so to speak. Bautzen had some major leather makers.

The Western made prewar pouches always concist of the absolutely finest postwar standards super made. And if any certain thing to look out for! Always dyed or made by predyed black leather, most uncommon postwar always brown later dyed black. So yes.

Eastern pouches can't say too much, but probably Wehrmacht surplus.

Regards
Kim