HELP - Waffen SS - Der Führer Uniform - HELP

[BenVK]

Oh and the eagle is made by the firm Augustin Heike and not Hicke.

I discovered the correct spelling years ago but everyone still says Hicke.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=843686&page=3

[Militaria-Roman]

Thank you for his first comments, which are very encouraging.
Yes, it's a big purchase.
And a uniform that's pretty rare.
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As I explain, I will have it in my hands at the February Show of the show.
I can ask for additional photos, but right now I think all the signals are in the green.
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Maybe some touch-ups or repairs on the cap.
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No, currently I don't have the captain's name.
But I think it is possible to narrow down the list, with the wounded Gold badge.

[John Pic]

To quote someone , "I could entertain a doubt". Buy it if it's cheap.

[sutka]

like this set

[Texasuberalles]

Thank you for his first comments, which are very encouraging.

Maybe some touch-ups or repairs on the cap.
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The visor side buttons do show the wear consistent with the rest of the cap.

[cossack1648]

Collar tabs and cufftitle don't show the consistent wear with the tunic. I don't think they are on that tunic since the war. Possibly restored. Is there any provenance attached to that set?
On the holster there is 44 inside the flap and 38 in RZM/SS stamp as a year indication.

Jack

[David T]

Collar tabs and cufftitle don't show the consistent wear with the tunic. I don't think they are on that tunic since the war. Possibly restored. Is there any provenance attached to that set?
On the holster there is 44 inside the flap and 38 in RZM/SS stamp as a year indication.

Jack

Yes, the apparent provenance is that this "ensemble" was given to the original collector owner by the SS officer the uniform originally belonged to. An original Cadre member of the Der Fuhrer regt. But the collector was sworn to secrecy. So the provenance is more of a non-provenance.
It's an expensive set to not know the original owners identity. But perhaps the future buyer will be enlightened with such information.
Any collector or future buyer could do the research and narrow down to the individual but that would still be speculative. I thought more members on the forum would be familiar with this uniform. Perhaps some are. I am very curious as to the original owner.

[cossack1648]

Yes, the apparent provenance is that this "ensemble" was given to the original collector owner by the SS officer the uniform originally belonged to. An original Cadre member of the Der Fuhrer regt. But the collector was sworn to secrecy. So the provenance is more of a non-provenance.
It's an expensive set to not know the original owners identity. But perhaps the future buyer will be enlightened with such information.
Any collector or future buyer could do the research and narrow down to the individual but that would still be speculative. I thought more members on the forum would be familiar with this uniform. Perhaps some are. I am very curious as to the original owner.

Buy the item, not the story

[Nick E]

Collar tabs and cufftitle don't show the consistent wear with the tunic. I don't think they are on that tunic since the war. Possibly restored. Is there any provenance attached to that set?
On the holster there is 44 inside the flap and 38 in RZM/SS stamp as a year indication.

Jack

what doesn't look.consistent about them? Look right to me

[Texasuberalles]

The visor side buttons do show the wear consistent with the rest of the cap.

Sorry, I meant to say they do NOT show wear consistent.

[jacquesf]

To quote someone , "I could entertain a doubt". Buy it if it's cheap.

Worth taking note of this comment. J

[Vladislav]

The owner of this tunic is the one who was called "Alter Kämpfer" In my opinion the tunic is heavily overloaded with badges.The material is good "diagonal" but I have a feeling of uneven wear and can be a bad signal.Of course such subject need have on the hands of and sniff.Buying it without 100% warranty and is a big risk IMO

[cossack1648]

what doesn't look.consistent about them? Look right to me

Compare the aging on shoulder boards and EK ribbon versus tabs and cufftitle. Both cufftitle and tabs show no oxidation signs like other parts of the tunic do. They seem like unissued pieces used for restoration. Also they don't show any rubbing signs and marks, which develop during wear, especially on high points and folds. Rune tab is a little bit bigger than the collar and that would cause wear on its bottom back corner, which is absent here. Also base collar doesn't show age forming and folds caused by the years of tab presence which is much stiffer than the rest of the collar and forces certain wear patterns on it.

As far as provenance. It is claimed that the whole group was saved by and came from the original owner, SS officer who kept it after the war. If that is the case then who put the English writing inside the holster. Such writings were usually written by GIs who captured these items. Also dates 1944 inside the flap and 1938 in SS markings contradict each other. I can't comment on SS markings on the holster based on posted photo.

Jack

[N.C. Wyeth]

Maybe we are reading more into this than is necessary?

It seems some here know more about this ensemble than has been so far revealed. That is all fine and good - but I do not see where the OP states his-or-her expectations for what will be found when arriving at the SOS.
So far, we do not know how this ensemble is being represented to him or her. That would be interesting to know.

[John Pic]

If it belonged to an early cadre member of "Der Fuhrer", where are the shoulder board cyphers which were issued to all the officer cadre with the regiment early on and worn throughout the war ? The exception would be with transferred/replacement cadre later in the war or field promoted junior officers. But study of period photos rarely shows them without cyphers when a cufftitle was worn on the twill uniforms.

That is just one observation. Others have pointed out some other good reasons to suspect this is a put together. This guy was a WWI veteran and an older member of the Nazi party or Police so he was either with DF from the get go or a late war transfer...I highly doubt the latter....in fact I highly doubt both scenarios. It almost looks like an old Chuck Wariner put together I saw many years ago.

I could be wrong, but I would advise caution with this one.