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    Rare date Honor Ring ?

    Hi all , what do you think of this HR ?

    Plenty of wear , tap and impact marks , seems honest and not a sandpaper job .

    Engraving appears to be hand done looking at it via loupe , worn down but some parts show better details with deep and shallow script , hard to photograph , definitely not casted in text from what I can see ,

    7.3.36 Klingsporn

    Seam present
    Appears to been heavily cleaned recently.

    Nice Pebbling seen background of N and other symbol , swastika Worn down completely.

    Skull eyes may of been reshaped from wear and impacts ?

    Thoughts ?

    Thanks in advance .

    Last edited by australia; 11-11-2019, 04:59 PM.

    #2
    Date , appears much better in hand then these pics .



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      #3
      Nice original TK Ring....congrats !

      Klingsporn Günther
      Born: 29.01.1901
      SS number: 2057
      NSDAP number: 152791
      Last edited by Christian76; 11-11-2019, 05:31 PM.

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        #4
        I have my doubts...

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          #5
          Rare date Honor Ring ?

          Originally posted by salzmann View Post
          I have my doubts...


          What are your concerns with the ring ?

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            #6
            Originally posted by Christian76 View Post
            Nice original TK Ring....congrats !

            Klingsporn Günther
            Born: 29.01.1901
            SS number: 2057
            NSDAP number: 152791


            Thankyou Chris

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              #7
              Originally posted by australia View Post
              What are your concerns with the ring ?

              The inside surface is very worn and has many voids. Is this a ground dug ring ?

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                #8
                https://www.ns-dokuzentrum-rlp.de/index.php?id=1055&L=1


                Günther Klingsporn was born in Berlin in 1903. He moved to Osthofen in 1928 and joined the Nazi Party and the SS in 1929. From 1924 to 1926 he had been a member of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) at the other end of the political spectrum. From November 1929 onwards, Klingsporn was unemployed. Klingsporn was known to his political enemies as a very “brutal SS maniac, who actively participated in riots directed at the local branch of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD). In 1933 he became a guard at the Osthofen concentration camp. Witnesses described him as a member of the “Einpeitscherkommandos" (whip-commando), which abused Jews and especially despised political opponents in camp II. He disputed this assertion in his denazification trial in 1949 and the allegations could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. In 1940 he was drafted into the Waffen-SS and served as a guard of the SS Special Camp / Concentration Camp Hinzert until April 1941. As a member of the Waffen-SS he took part in World War II, holding the rank of Hauptscharführer (Master Sergeant). In May 1945, he was taken prisoner of war by US forces in Austria and subsequently interned until October 1948.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by der-hase-fee View Post
                  The inside surface is very worn and has many voids. Is this a ground dug ring ?


                  I have no previous past history with this HR unfortunately, out of the woodwork USA

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by der-hase-fee View Post
                    https://www.ns-dokuzentrum-rlp.de/index.php?id=1055&L=1


                    Günther Klingsporn was born in Berlin in 1903. He moved to Osthofen in 1928 and joined the Nazi Party and the SS in 1929. From 1924 to 1926 he had been a member of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) at the other end of the political spectrum. From November 1929 onwards, Klingsporn was unemployed. Klingsporn was known to his political enemies as a very “brutal SS maniac, who actively participated in riots directed at the local branch of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD). In 1933 he became a guard at the Osthofen concentration camp. Witnesses described him as a member of the “Einpeitscherkommandos" (whip-commando), which abused Jews and especially despised political opponents in camp II. He disputed this assertion in his denazification trial in 1949 and the allegations could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. In 1940 he was drafted into the Waffen-SS and served as a guard of the SS Special Camp / Concentration Camp Hinzert until April 1941. As a member of the Waffen-SS he took part in World War II, holding the rank of Hauptscharführer (Master Sergeant). In May 1945, he was taken prisoner of war by US forces in Austria and subsequently interned until October 1948.


                    Thankyou , Appreciate the info

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                      #11
                      yes ring , look correct , this is style of 40s years
                      but why date 36 year ?
                      If he in 1928 and joined the Nazi Party, that he must be awarded of ring in early time - 30s years
                      Strange setuation ...
                      Last edited by ZiG; 11-12-2019, 08:10 AM.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by ZiG View Post
                        yes ring , look correct , this is style of 40s years
                        but why date 36 year ?
                        If he in 1928 and joined the Nazi Party, that he must be awarded of ring in early time - 30s years
                        Strange setuation ...
                        There is no strange situation.

                        It is known that ss members could order a second ring, in case they lost the ring or the ring was worn out.
                        For example Klingsporn ordered a new ring in 1941, so he gets the new ring in 40th style, engraved with the early award date of his first ring.
                        Last edited by Christian76; 11-12-2019, 09:07 AM.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Christian76 View Post
                          There is no strange situation.

                          It is known that ss members could order a second ring, in case they lost the ring or the ring was worn out.
                          For example Klingsporn ordered a new ring in 1941, so he gets the new ring in 40th style, engraved with the early award date of his first ring.

                          Christian is 100% correct. Yes, that is a 100% original 40's style ring that was engraved with the early award date because it was a replacement ring given to owner who possibly lost his original ring or it got damaged for some reason.

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                            #14
                            Never heard about variants when can restore rings after lost
                            This was allowed ?
                            Very interesting !

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                              #15
                              Very interesting info ,

                              I’ve seen 2 different date of births for a Klingsporn , in this topic one in 1901 & 1903 , same person or 2 different persons ?

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