SS-Pin "1" 20. April 1930 - Ben Lieber grouping

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

sold today as lot 257 on Thies 67 for 80,000 euros (100,000 euros with fees).

Pictures courtesy of Lot-Tissimo/Thies.

See You

Vince

[Gary Symonds]

A number of years ago, the Military Advisor had a small article about the SS Runes, and it claimed that these were designed either in 1931 or 1932.

I recall the name of the designer was "Esher" or something like that, and he sold the rights to the design for a token amount.

If true, this stick pin with a 1930 date is a fantasy/fake.

[Stickfigure21]

Craig Gottleib has it for a while:
http://www.craiggottlieb.com/engine/...rman+Militaria


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[Robert H]

I just cannot trust such a pin, looks the circle width difference was same for AHs badge right?

[Gary Symonds]

Craig Gottleib has it for a while:
http://www.craiggottlieb.com/engine/...rman+Militaria


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Well, that is certainly the imprimatur of authenticity!

[Phantom3SE]

Craig Gottleib has it for a while:
http://www.craiggottlieb.com/engine/...rman+Militaria


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MUST be the real deal then PMSL!!

[HPL2008]

A number of years ago, the Military Advisor had a small article about the SS Runes, and it claimed that these were designed either in 1931 or 1932.

I recall the name of the designer was "Esher" or something like that, and he sold the rights to the design for a token amount.

If true, this stick pin with a 1930 date is a fantasy/fake.

The designer of the "SS" symbol was Walter (or Walther) Heck, a member of the NSDAP and the Allgemeine SS. (He was promoted to Sturmführer on 24 Dec. 1932 and to Obersturmführer on 9 Nov. 1933, the rank he still held in the summer of 1944.) He designed it in 1929.

An unemployed draftsman at the time, Heck did occasional design work for the Hoffstätter company, which was owned by a fellow NSDAP member. One of these jobs was designing the SS-Zivilabzeichen - which was the first usage of the twin Sigrunen -for which he was paid only 2.50 RM by Hoffstätter. In dire financial straits at the time, Heck worked for very small sums of money and routinely waived copyright for his designs.

In 1944, Gauleiter Josef Grohé informed the Reichsführer-SS Himmler about the identity of the symbol's designer and the circumstances of its creation; facts of which Himmler had been completely unaware up until then.

Himmler wrote to Heck that he intended to express his gratitude after the war by giving Heck a family home and garden in a location of his choice, but only if Heck had married and fathered at least two children by then!

This material was discovered by a team of German design students undertaking research for a work on - of all things - the history of the "SS key" on Third Reich-period typewriters.

For two (German-language) articles on this, see:

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuillet...n-1971757.html
https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/toedl...icle_id=123491

[Stangell]

A number of years ago, the Military Advisor had a small article about the SS Runes, and it claimed that these were designed either in 1931 or 1932.

I recall the name of the designer was "Esher" or something like that, and he sold the rights to the design for a token amount.

If true, this stick pin with a 1930 date is a fantasy/fake.

So, it is a fake then!

The designer of the "SS" symbol was Walter (or Walther) Heck, a member of the NSDAP and the Allgemeine SS. (He was promoted to Sturmführer on 24 Dec. 1932 and to Obersturmführer on 9 Nov. 1933, the rank he still held in the summer of 1944.) He designed it in 1929.
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So it is legit then!

If it was designed in 1929 is not so interesting but merely when did these come into production, that is the dealbreaker here.

[HPL2008]

Just to keep it clear: I didn't say that this specific item is real (nor do I say it is fake); this was just about the facts on the badge's designer and the year of its creation.

[Pervitin]

Ridiculous. That's not even correct German grammar.

[HPL2008]

Ridiculous. That's not even correct German grammar.

Do you mean the odd stylistic choice of abbreviating "ihrem" like this?

(There is nothing wrong with the grammar as such.)

[frankandfrank]

I see 2 different engraving types !!

[Robert H]

Ihr. is odd shortened for its dedication to AH

but honestly I really dont care for this badge of real or fake.
Would even not spend 500 for it as there is no solid proof for it and came out from CG possible fantasy Island.

[Seiler]

Well, that is certainly the imprimatur of authenticity!

A genuine piece of "Rubbish".Nothing more.The "Buyer needs to see a Shrink".Mr.Heck must be turning in his grave. Seiler.

[Seiler]

A genuine piece of "Rubbish".Nothing more.The "Buyer needs to see a Shrink".Mr.Heck must be turning in his grave. Seiler.

I have a copy of Himmlers files from Koblenz Archiv where he states clearly he was displeased with No.1 and instructed Berlin to order a "NEW" pin for him to personally present to AH.I also have copies of the second order forms duly approved with the initials of Pohl. (Also came with a bio of Walter Heck containing the argument as "What should be his payment"?) ALL dated 1938. and is a common Gahr pin except for the No.1.Ask Koblenz yourselves!!!!! Seiler.