set of metal cap isignia

[pimpf]

Sturmmann. May You post it here for observation ? Very interesting to see !

[Sturmmann]

can't post pictures here - can somebody do it for me?

[pimpf]

No problems. Just click here and send it to me.

[pimpf]

Here are photos from Sturmmann. Just take a look !

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[Donald Abenheim]

Donnerwetter!

To my Baltic and Russian colleagues: Wonderful, informative material of exceptional merit. Could one collect or display any of this in some way in the USSR period? I guess not, but perhaps others can shed light on something that has always interested me. What happened to the men in these pictures after 1945? Did they emigrate to the West?; were they executed for war crimes? Did they go on in another guise? I know that many collectors existed underground in the DDR/GDR, and I was surprised in the early-1990s how much NS material endured in the former East Germany. In any case, thanks for all of this. I have learned alot and wish my European colleagues much good fortune in their collecting.

[Sergey]

as for the skulls posted here before - i can tell that both are 100% original without ANY doubt ... i have a lot of period photos of estonian volunteers wearing those in front of their M40, M43 and visor caps!

Hi Sturman if you opinion based only on period photos than I cant agree with you. First of all period photos not so clear and detail and unfortunately black - white. Even if on photo pictured such types of insignia we have never say with 100% confidence that in our collections are the same items. I believe that Baltic and other fakers active use this situation. We dont have any other confirmation excepting photos. So all these items still very doubtfull and their prices must be adequate ( not like for 100% original items) and for me it is only reason put them in my collection.

[Sturmmann]

what else could be better proof than period photo???!!! i wish i would have a very good scanner - i could take very sharp images of those insignas then!
these estonian made skulls and eagles were started to produce on february 1944 in Tartu (city in estonia) - and it was a gift from Tartu to estonian SS units who got back from Russia to defend Estonia in Narwa - and these skulls and eagles were produced in factory that made medical instruments ... and besides i've got my estonian skull for 3€ from a bum that lives 6 km from my home in woods and who doesn't know absolutely ANYTHING about the real value of those things - so i have no doubt what so ever about the authenticity of those skulls ... Sergey - the first photo that pimpf posted is very clear IMO - isn't that enough proof for you?

[Sergey]

what else could be better proof than period photo???!!! i wish i would have a very good scanner - i could take very sharp images of those insignas then!
these estonian made skulls and eagles were started to produce on february 1944 in Tartu (city in estonia) - and it was a gift from Tartu to estonian SS units who got back from Russia to defend Estonia in Narwa - and these skulls and eagles were produced in factory that made medical instruments ... and besides i've got my estonian skull for 3€ from a bum that lives 6 km from my home in woods and who doesn't know absolutely ANYTHING about the real value of those things - so i have no doubt what so ever about the authenticity of those skulls ... Sergey - the first photo that pimpf posted is very clear IMO - isn't that enough proof for you?

Sorry to say but I think we have the same problems like with other local made items. For example Lapland or Lorient arm shilds. As I told before we need other confirmations exept period photos. I am sure that such insignia were exist, but we have not enough information about its manufacturing, wearing, we dont have items from reliable sources, books e.t.c. This area of collecting is unexplored. So If their prices will be in about 3 Euros then I would be collect if hundreds euros I am pass.
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[Sergey]

Do you have an Estonian made scull for sale?

[Sturmmann]

ahhhh ... forget it!

[Sturmmann]

nope i don't have - and if i would have i wouldn't sell for 3€ anyway - so dead end!

[Sergey]

nope i don't have - and if i would have i wouldn't sell for 3€ anyway - so dead end!

3Euros it is only for example. I think that reasonable price for it, in about 10-20 Euros like for modern repro, because only low prices could stop manufacturing of fakes.

[pimpf]

More photos from Sturmmann. Pic. 1