More rings to discuss

[Byzanti]

I’m contacting the seller right after I post, but one is “SS” and one is Luft, feel free to movie to the right forum mods. Here’s the thing imho- the ss looks like a “tuxedo” button that in themselves need to be discussed- but worn and modifiers to be made into a ring, I couldn’t place that as a period piece. The Luft looks familiar in that we had a member on another forum restoring lost enamel from these rings- it looks to be a plastic quick enamel over a (possibly) good piece. Thoughts? http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru....php?t=1009397

[Stoll12559]

My thoughts exactly Mike, the luft COULD be a good ring, with if I remember that polish fellow RE enamelling them. But that "ss" ring is definitely a button made into a ring......what is the verdict on those buttons?? I remember reading a thread or 2 with guys debating on them.......

[Patrick W]

Guys

These items are mine so I will make comment in that the SS ring is NOT a converted tuxedo button but a flat silver disc that has been curved and mounted into the ring bezel.

The design is clearly based on the of the tuxedo button- runes within oakleaf wreath but it was never a button.

Also tuxedo buttons did exist in this design, of that there is no dispute whatsoever- do a search and you will find multiple examples- they are also heavily copied as alluded to.

If the thoughts are that this design makes the ring suspicious then that is falicy as it is known to have existed in the period.

This isn't the place for the Luft ring but this is a known original design- I'm not sure how one could say that the enamel is done after the fact- do you have any examples or threads to this Polish person's work to post?

thanks

[Byzanti]

Pat-
As I said- i think the Luft is likely a good ring, pattern is known....and the yellow enamels can look a little weird in a certain light- I would disclose the results of a hot pin test in the case of enamel like this ( I have a yellow enamel Luft ring, I tested it first...) “quick” enamels can and have been used to restore rings= Also a known fact,, as you can see from the very next post... That will help the sale. These are your customers in potential, so I’m trying to help you here, not attack you. Ring buyers are picky, but not more than other collectors. No one wants to flush hundreds or thousands on an iffy ring. This is the second time this week we collectors have been down this road on waf... I’ll post my “Goldin” hallmarked Luft ring at some point on the right sub forum to illustrate my point. As to the SS.... I think the split band is an old ring design so that is a plus. Outside of that, everything else is in question imho. There’s no way to identify this as made in the TR period or even 100% with a TR “ss disc” or whatever you’re calling it. I think it’s a “tuxedo” or “waiter” button, seen em as cufflinks. I don’t like them as links, I like it less as an “ss” ring. Again these are my opinions, but I think I speak for most ring collectors as to my points. Do the pin test on the Luft, if it passes- it’s a great ring. The ss guys are going to need some convincing on the other ring; and I don’t think outside of the Deco period split band I can help much there. Best of luck to you, mike

[alfred213]

luftwaffe ring and ss ring

hi patrick
in my opinion both of your rings are fake very badly done examples the ss ring sure looks like an ss button a real ss button came in two pieces it appears that in your ring they only used the top piece with the two ss lightning bolts mike and the outher member is only trying to give you thier honest opinions just like i am doing its only an opinion but after fifty five years in this great hobby and with me examining many thousands of rings my opinion is still that your rings both are fakes and not period done i hope you are satisfied with all our honest opinions god bless andsy muilitarynut

[Gaspare]

I agree, there were SS buttons with Runes and leafs around border..
The ring is whats called a 'Split Band' design. Early design,,usually a arts and crafts type product.. It doesn't look like a mass produced commercially made for retail ring..

The Luft is weird.. I have seen that exact ring before... usually with enamel the whole field is full with glass paste so when done the fired enamel can be polished.

How did that get polished sitting below the design/emblem? So, either not enamel or done somehow after the ring was made or [?]...
A simple hot pin test will tell you if a quick enamel/epoxy,,or real fired glass enamel..

[Michael33]

Luftwaffe ring - original. were such with enamel

[Gaspare]

M33. , there were a bunch of advertisements for that exact pattern.. I know I have not seen all of them,,,,Have you seen one offering it in enamel?