AWESOME SS Honor Ring...Please take a look

[PzKpfw]

Imo ring is not original.

[Seiler]

SS TK ring.

Imo ring is not original.

I agree with you there mon ami.Dont like it one bit. ..Seiler

[Hellraiser]

So there are 2 options:

a) Don made a mistake

b) One of the owners since 2003 had it copied and is still enjoying his original TK ring.

[SScollector]

So there are 2 options:

a) Don made a mistake

b) One of the owners since 2003 had it copied and is still enjoying his original TK ring.

"B" seems very likely, imo. I do not believe for one second that Don would have mistaken this posted ring for an original.

Chris

[Dennis J]

"B" seems very likely, imo. I do not believe for one second that Don would have mistaken this posted ring for an original.

Chris

I agree with you 100%'when I first saw this ring I too thought this was a joke.Jmo but I think this ring is fake from first look.

Dennis J

[Dennis J]

WOW...I never thought this thread was going to go this way and now the seed of doubt has been planted.

This is a total shock to me simply because of Mr. Boyels LOA and he, Don Boyel being the forerunner in this field, I never would have guessed that he or his word would be challenged. I stand to be wrong.

Not that it's going to matter any but maybe I need to take better photos of the RUNES to show then straight on and not tilted.

The ring and paperwork came from Bob Johnson and was sold to the party I am buying it from who personally sent it to Mr. Boyels. The stamp Don used on this certificate was also the same stamp he used in 1996. As I have another ring that Don certified (in 1996) so this stamp has been used for a few years. I believe that Craig Gotlied has either seen this ring in person or while writing his book on the SS Totenkoph Ring collaborated with Don as it is mentioned in his book.

I know in this hobby there are doubters and haters and ever some green with every but I am no expert so in this area I do really on the experts such as Boyel and Gottlieb.

I only hope that Don Boyel or Craig Gottlieb will chime in not only to defend this ring but more so to defend themselves.

This is a copy of the 1996 certificate. Not sure when Don changed his stamp to a seal.

Could we please see the other ring .

Dennis J

[Military]

Don will be the only person who can clarify this mystery if he did indeed vet the aforementioned ring being discussed; or it was another (good) piece and then later "switched". If it is the later, goodness knows how many rings have been "switched". RKarum says that the ring is discussed in CG's book - which page is it, so some of us can have a background to it?

Mil

[Antonio Scapini]

Guys, I really can't believe we are still discussing about someone who switched a COA...

Maybe someone switched also the HOFLER COA for the second ring offered in this page? http://militarynut.com/id26.html
Andy, the seller, says no, this ring it is a perfect original with Don COA. So it should be an unquestionable original ring. And many experts would agree on this.

on my side, being not an expert I can disagree, and I'm happy to disagree!

[ZiG]

Guys, I really can't believe we are still discussing about someone who switched a COA...

Maybe someone switched also the HOFLER COA for the second ring offered in this page? http://militarynut.com/id26.html
Andy, the seller, says no, this ring it is a perfect original with Don COA. So it should be an unquestionable original ring. And many experts would agree on this.

on my side, being not an expert I can disagree, and I'm happy to disagree!

Yes ring ugly and dont look like original, but inscription inside look correct
What do you say ?

[dikeman]

The one-armed SS-Obersturmführer/SS-Hauptsturmführer pictured in frame 16 is NOT Leppert. Leppert's first rank after entering the W-SS per 21.12.1942 was SS-Obersturmbannführer per 1.1.1943. He never held the rank of an SS-Obersturmführer or SS-Hauptsturmführer.
Dikeman

[salzmann]

:d

yes ring ugly and dont look like original, but inscription inside look correct
what do you say ?

[salzmann]

Inscription looks correct!?

[Scott C.]

I have no clue yet as to what theses documents represent but the search is on to find out.
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The last pic is an original awards document for something 2nd class.
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I think LEPERT was born in 1899.
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The last page was the clincher for me to make this extensive and rather pricey purchase. Hope to find out more about him.

Wow, good for you for taking such a pricey leap of faith on a person and pile of documents you know little to nothing about.

[Antonio Scapini]

Yes ring ugly and dont look like original, but inscription inside look correct
What do you say ?

I say that I can make to engrave all the rings you want with the correct engraving, just need some money and the right craftman. Look for one, I'm sure you can find by yourself.

We are able to restore items of 2000 or more years ago, or precious unvaluable masterpieces, and we still believe the Gahr engraving cannot be replicated!
Do you really think only Gahr was able to engrave rings with that "unique" style and nobody else can do it?!? C'mon, it's time to grow up guys!

Then let me say that you should buy that ring, because the engraving "looks" correct! Furthermore it has a COA!
And having a COA all the "experts" must keep their silence on it! Usually the best explanation is "the COA was switched", and this time?
It is so funny look at the ring world, behind each corner you see full of smocking ruins of the old myths...

PS: the Gahr engraving has something strange that no one has ever investigated, but this is not the place to talk about it.

[Ric Ferrari]

Wow…..I'm happy (ironic) to see that Antonio's rude sarcastic approach is back

Ric

P.S. About coming "revelation", I sincerely hope it will be more interesting than previous ones.