Hi guys,
i would love to hear from you about this tunic and coat
cheers
Pete
i would love to hear from you about this tunic and coat
cheers
Pete
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Overcoat looks to be army one ( too wide collar for M44 WSS overcoat ).Comment
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Tunic is fake IMO. Does the overcoat have french cuffs?Comment
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Hi
no the coat does not have french cuffs
100% sure the tunic is fake?
CheersComment
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Then the overcoat stands a chance of being SS issue.Originally posted by Petra View Post
Pretty sure. Most of the materials seem alright but some construction details are way off, like moleskin under the collar or hand-sewn buttonholes. My guess is that it's made from a salvaged overcoat. I see no back-seam, but I think I see one under the sleeve, is it made from 3 parts (1x back, 2x front)? How are the adjustable cuffs made, with 1 button and 2 holes?Comment
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Hi
Im also sure the coat is a genue ss, just wanted to confirm
but what about the tunic
cheersComment
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Could you please add photos of overcoat cause from these photos nothing is sure.Comment
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The overcoat looks like an original SS surcoat from these photos, and I see no red flags on the M44 jacket. It's hard to get a good feel for the material with the lighting in the photos, but both pieces looks fine so far to me.
What happened to the right shoulder area on the jacket?
s/f RobertComment
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Really? Moleskin under the collar, handsewn buttonholes, no stamps, at least 4 different lining fabrics, an overly wide button tab, a colorful mix of buttons from different makers? It looks like a grade A Frankenstein to me.Originally posted by RobertE View PostComment
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The photos are poor, but:Originally posted by Hptm. Fuhrmann View Post
1. The fabric under the collar is not moleskin or even close to it. From the single photo, it looks similar to the fabric found under M42 and M43 collars, however. Most are straight wool, though.
2. The buttons holes appear to all be machine done - where do you see hand-sewn buttonholes?
3. I would not expect to see stamps on the button hole side of the liner facings. SS M44s typically have them on the button side, which is not shown.
4, The appearance of different fabric types used in the construction of a late war tunic is usually a good sign, and is certainly not unusual.
5. The button tab is well within size standards, which were all different sizes. In fact, in this case it's about identical in size to the tab on the last SS M44 I owned.
6. I don't know the different manufacturers on the buttons, which is impossible to tell from the front. Button lots did get mixed on late (44-45) tunics. I see at least some of them have the faded stipling towards the edges, which is a typical feature of late war buttons and all have the correct late war bluish paint to them.
In short, I don't agree with you and think better pictures - and more of them - would tell us a lot. But for now, it looks well within norms.
s/f RobertComment
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hi
i own 3 m44 and as Robert stated from this pic bunch looks whit in normComment
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1. Even though the picture is blurry, I'm fairly certain that it is moleskin, like on pre to early-war tunics. M42s and M43s mostly had reed green linen hbt under the collar, and this doesn't look anything like it.
2. The buttonholes are too narrow and look especially crude on the backside, not nearly as clean and precise as machine sewn ones. I've seen handsewn buttonholes that look better than that.
3. If it has any stamps then I would have expected a picture of them. Something as crucial in determing originality as stamps needs to be shown, so I assumed it doesn't have any. And if it does have stamps - pictures please!
4. Different lining fabrics is fine, at least if it is the same material, like different shades of rayon, or different shades of plain cotton or cotton twill, but this tunic has a little bit of everything and it just doesn't look right to me.
5. I haven't yet seen a button tab that wide, they were usually narrow to have more space for the chest pockets. And another thing that bothers me is that the lining on the backside isn't drawn inside a little bit on the edge to keep it from being seen when the tunic is closed. That's a feature that a lot of reproductions lack.
6. The button on the right shoulder is brown (or maybe completely rusted?), on the left shoulder it's olive green and the rest are in late war blue-gray but clearly made by different makers, easy to spot by the different shape and pebble pattern.
On another note, something I just spotted, the tunic seems to have chest darts!!
Otherwise I am also all in for more pictures, especially some detail shots of the points I made and some of the sleeve construction.Comment
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Can we get a shot of the tunic's inner suspenders eye holes please?Comment
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