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    #1

    A German Collar tab . . .

    Here's one for you all . . .
    NOW before you all start jumping in shouting ~
    Its S*** / Not in a million years / Crap / Fake etc
    Let's examine what we have in front of us and ask why . . .
    as you can see it has evidence of of showing signs of wear
    anyone care to go first ?
    Regards David
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    I'll have a go David.
    The base material looks odd but I imagine this could be due to nap wear I like the buckram
    Also the runes look like the small thin ones on a specific tab usually associated with the LAH. So it could possibly have a good chance.
    Cheers
    Dave

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      #3
      Originally posted by D Davies View Post
      I'll have a go David.
      The base material looks odd but I imagine this could be due to nap wear I like the buckram
      Also the runes look like the small thin ones on a specific tab usually associated with the LAH. So it could possibly have a good chance.
      Cheers
      Dave
      Thank you Dave . . .
      Just the kind of answer I was hoping for
      Keep those answers coming
      Regards David

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        #4
        when you look to very early SS photos, like the time frame of the wearing the Krätzchen you see very odd short ss rune collar tabs.


        photo courtesy current ratisbons auction
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          #5
          To be honest . . .
          For what it is I really don't see a major problems with it
          Obviously its not standard issue that we can clearly see.
          The runes aren't how they should be but someone has taken a long time to copy that of an original even though not level
          The backing material isn't great but then why would it be if this was the best one could get.
          As you can see it clearly shows wear of it being sewn to a collar even only hand stitched ?
          The buckram is passable. There doesn't seem to be any immediate red flag except the runes arent semmetiicial.
          I'm not saying this is or was a runic tab that was used to denote member serving in the SS but from my point of view it could have been,
          it much much better than some of the purpose made fakes we see out there
          Please let's hear some more thoughts of constructive criticism
          Regards David

          PS Why wouldn't you have it in your collection ?
          PPS Thank you Robert . . . A prime example

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            #6
            Ok the rune allignment is way off.
            But.... that said i think it sits with the tab as a while. The runes are scruffy as hell but I think that's mainly wear and tear. I also like the buckram and backing material. For me it's nice early tab with character

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              #7
              I kind of like it, field made maybe, nice looking wear too

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                #8
                Originally posted by I Claudius View Post
                Ok the rune allignment is way off.
                But.... that said i think it sits with the tab as a while. The runes are scruffy as hell but I think that's mainly wear and tear.
                Thank you Sir . . . I too can live with that
                Here's another wear and tear tab a nice early one
                not too dissimilar . . .
                Regards David
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                  #9
                  Hi David,
                  Can't say if it's genuine WW II or not. It certainly looks old, but that doesn't mean it's SSrelated. Maybe a theatre creation???

                  Grsss

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ton g View Post
                    Hi David,
                    Can't say if it's genuine WW II or not. It certainly looks old, but that doesn't mean it's SSrelated. Maybe a theatre creation???

                    Grsss
                    I think your missing the point ?
                    Just because an item isn't standard issue
                    It gets branded wrong / fake / theatre creation etc.
                    Look at the materials used to create this tab there are no red flags for me
                    it would have also taken to long to manufacture
                    so why couldn't have this been field made for the SS ?
                    Is it just because its a non standard issue
                    Take a look at the shot that Robert kindly provided ?
                    What tab is that on the SS members collar ?
                    Regards David

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                      #11
                      No Sir, I'm not missing the point. I'm juxt open minded that it can be anything, from real to fake. I know there are lots of field made and not standard items. The source where it came from and where or how it was found would be for me important.
                      As I allready mentioned: it sure looks old and has the "been there-look" and the materials look ok, but that doesn't make it real. Maybe I'm too carefull in this hobby....

                      Grss

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by ton g View Post
                        As I already mentioned: it sure looks old and has the "been there-look" and the materials look ok, but that doesn't make it real. Maybe I'm too careful in this hobby....

                        Grss
                        I agree with you . . .
                        But the point I am trying to put across is just because these items aren't standard issue the collector won't entertain anything like this.
                        But I believe this one has a very good chance of being authentic as it contains all the correct materials which helps support me and what I am saying.
                        Let me ask you this . . ?
                        Would you have this item in your collection ?
                        I have enclosed the tab once again along with a well known original example

                        Regards David
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Stossgruppe3 View Post
                          I agree with you . . .
                          But the point I am trying to put across is just because these items aren't standard issue the collector won't entertain anything like this.
                          But I believe this one has a very good chance of being authentic as it contains all the correct materials which helps support me and what I am saying.
                          Let me ask you this . . ?
                          Would you have this item in your collection ?
                          I have enclosed the tab once again along with a well known original example

                          Regards David
                          Hi David
                          That's the style of tab I was meaning that I read was attributed to the lah
                          Cheers
                          Dave

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by D Davies View Post
                            Hi David
                            That's the style of tab I was meaning that I read was attributed to the lah
                            Cheers
                            Dave
                            I thought that's what you meant . . .
                            There seems to be a bit of confusion here with what I am trying to say
                            The tab I started this post with had all the correct components needed to be a possible contender for a field made tab
                            Thus putting it on the side of a SS Tab.
                            We can all see this isn't a standard issue that's pretty obvious.
                            But to give it credibility why on earth would you try and copy an original if this was only going to be used as a filler as this would have taken hours to create.
                            I personally feel there is more to the tab than meets the eye
                            Regards David

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                              #15
                              I agree with you David I'm sure there is more to it.
                              I suppose it's about believing in the item.
                              Have you bought it or are you still trying to decide.
                              Either way good luck with your decision
                              Cheers
                              Dave

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