The Floch interview regarding the Pink/Birch smocks

[nutmeg]

OK

Heres the simple Math ..........on the Pink fakes.

100 jackets at 10 a pop.
Sold for 350 a pop.
Thats $34,000.

Good profit.

In todays money converted is around $102,121 give or take.

MR F went and had the jackets made in the east.......
The money is the key factor in all of this.

You guys need to wake up to reality that greed is the true factor in all of this.

This doesn't even make the slightest sense. Of course there was big profit involved , otherwise why take a chance going to Poland to buy these? Just because profits were made doesn't mean he had them made . So did I have 750 Civil War cartridgeboxes made in 1973 from Eaves Costume house instead of just buying them cheap for a 200% profit?

[nutmeg]

Then why is it I wonder that not a single one of these smocks has ever come from such "resistance fighters" or the alike?

Could be because most of them were killed and then it was a communist country for decades afterwards. Plus I would expect the Germans to take back them from prisoners.

[Fritz]

Is there any proof of purchase, photos or anything that can help provide provenance?
Answer/ -Did not make, bought.-No records as this was during communist times and was done under the table.

I realize that having resisted these for so long some non-believers will never accept them regardless of the evidence no matter how strong. At this point IMO everything points to these being pre 1945. [/I]

If anyone has spoken with Floch about this or knows who the other buyers were lets hear it!

A pity that despite "of all the evidence" there is no proof. Obviously "as this was during communist times".


In any case I must say I have learned quite a bit about the communist polish film industry. Mr. Floch sounds like an authority on that topic.



Cheers

[Fritz]

[QUOTE=nutmeg;8097144]

Then why is it I wonder that not a single one of these smocks has ever come from such "resistance fighters" or the alike?

Could be because most of them were killed and then it was a communist country for decades afterwards. Plus I would expect the Germans to take back them from prisoners.

Yes, could be. But it could also be.....oh well.

[Dr. Strangelove]

U been Floched

Floch parading around Eastern Europe sporting a beret and an ivory ciggarette holder while claiming to be a film producer. Sounds lile a reliable source to me. I wonder if he made any interesting low-budget movies?? I think I should start looking for his name in the credits of my 1980‘s Polske Porn collection. I wonder if he used a fake name on his fake business cards? I will go conduct a proper interview!

[Gaspare]

This is for real?!? I thought it some kind of parody,,wow,,ok..

,,,,"this is before the wall fell".. Really? He just tra la la all over East Europe buying smocks and such..BS!

- who would believe anything this guy would say.. In some places he'd be considered a criminal.. Responsible for defrauding 100s out of their money in one way or another.. Man,,no one here has heard the medal/badge members screaming,,,'I've been Floched'.

Jeezzzz,, all over some smocks..They're good, they're bad,,only ones who care are the ones that have them,,,good, enjoy them guys..

[Fritz]

I think I should start looking for his name in the credits of my 1980‘s Polske Porn collection.

First look at all titles involving the term "pink".

Cheers

[Daniel.S]

According to Wikipeda it opened in late 1945. If you look at pictures of the Warsaw uprising there are stacks of SS camo smocks being looted by the partisans. All kinds of military equipment and other stuff has been left behind to be captured in war.

I have seen many of them...both smocks and caps. I have members of family who was there.

The stacks of SS camo were just not left behind...They uprisers knew the germans had them and attacked , killing the germans, maybe thats what you mean with "left behind".

And what does Warsaw uprising has to do with pink smocks? have you seen any Insurgents with them? not a single one was found in Warsaw.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Fritzie

Oh Fritzie your so bad! 😂😂😂😂😂 My Polish translation skills are weak, the first title that came up was, “Double Floched in a Pink Smock in Plock”.

Don’t think I am not on top of my research, “Plock” is a town by Warsaw.

[Daniel.S]

I really dont care as i dont collect cammo...

But the story of Lodz and Poland is fishy, also told by a guy who make fake badges?

Who told that when Ek:S dried up and dealers asked for more he made great looking EK fakes.

What if dealers asked for smocks?

If he could find a factory who made great 3 piece EK1 , how hard can it be to find someone who makes smocks?

The textile industy in Lodz was big during those years.

[nutmeg]

A pity that despite "of all the evidence" there is no proof. Obviously "as this was during communist times".


In any case I must say I have learned quite a bit about the communist polish film industry. Mr. Floch sounds like an authority on that topic.



Cheers

I may have one receipt left someplace (if I could find it) from 1973 for one purchase from Eaves Costume company in NYC . I made about 20 seperate lot buys over several months, some I just paid cash , with no paperwork(probably because they didn't want it on the books ). Not everyone saves paperwork from 30-40- years back. If it was sold out the back door with the cash being pocketed by the employees there would be no paper.

[NickG]

Floch pulled good items out of the east. We all now that...(and yes he has a spotty reputation (but smocks purchased at $10 bucks being fakes?)
These are surplus gear with little value (to the sellers)...not contract fakes! and the smock damage varied...bottom of the pile and top of the pile
(large bails...storage issues warehouse...rodent damage chew and urine + mildew etc...)
Thinking some were artificially damaged on purpose to make the entire lot more sellable is nonsense. Floch even admitted he still had some smocks from 30+ years ago with damage that he did not even bother selling...Why fake the damage and than not sell it? Here's the depot being raided by Warsaw partisans. Smocks stacked 6 feet high.
Resistance fighters on a shopping spree. Again why would Floch make up the story that these came from Lodz Poland?
and all Communist movie companies were state owned and collaborated together... Belarus-Poland-etc...

[Fritz]

I may have one receipt left someplace (if I could find it) from 1973 for one purchase from Eaves Costume company in NYC . I made about 20 seperate lot buys over several months, some I just paid cash , with no paperwork(probably because they didn't want it on the books ). Not everyone saves paperwork from 30-40- years back. If it was sold out the back door with the cash being pocketed by the employees there would be no paper.

That's all well and good, I for one would not consider this as "strong evidence" or "proof" though. He said himself that he has absolutely nothing but his warm words to support his claim.

Also, I don't quite manage to understand what your receipt from 1973 has to do with the items in question?

Cheers

[Fritz]

Again why would Floch make up the story that these came from Lodz Poland?
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Yes, why would he?

[Marc Shaffer]

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