12 pnz Div HJ - nominative plane 2 smock m42 with full history

[Norman Hamilton]

Fascinating, thank you....

[billbert]

Thank You for making HISTORY and HUMANITY come alive..Billbert

[NCO]

Amazing , this must be your centerpiece in your collection.
Just riveting, going to read it again, enjoying this.
cheers
NCO

[kammo man]

Wheres the bit where he says its his issued jacket and it survived because ?
Here a pic of me wearing it Wartime ......

[viva_giulio]

I 've already replied to you Owen in the the forum and I will report the same reply.
You are free to do not trust, I respect your point of view, but I have good reason to believe:
1 the unit was equipped with early plane tarn, there are clear pics about
2 the family story is the same also by different members
3 there is a pic I will share when I complete the topic and research cause but is hard to detect , not frontal pic , I am not interested to start a debate
4 the only memorabilia are Hiag period and bundeswehr side cap
5 Tran was sold without mention the story of Gert to a dealer by one member of family, other items unselleable are in hands of grandson
6 reached an high confidence with family which gave to me other snd, strictly private, also the burial pics with the coffin in the earth few moments before to be covered. Not necessary for them say to me lies

I wrote to you in november:

" can't ask cause he is dead, family saying he backed at home in licence before JS full equipped cause war situation and leave here some thing such as photos promotions medals after this licence do not exist period items and lost also photos and remains only the pow stuff + diaries + books received by a girl who trown it over barbed wire.

This kind of situation: leave at home on winter 44/45 a tunic was the most common situation when we found vet items. In this case period pics show using of a sturmartillery wrap in normandy, and a m43 model after Belgium period.

There is an interview of 3 hours for a documentary and i wait family allow to me to see fully, in this interview"

[viva_giulio]

The interview, sorry for empirical method to get a pic.

I forgot one point, Owen: this topic is not made to sell.

[norge]

Bravisimo!
Good work Mauro.
Best,
Gisle

[4th division]

Fascinating smock, and fascinating to read the whole story now!

Frederik

[compressore]

Hello,

My first impressive experiences were my participation in a shooting command for a "175" - a homosexual. This is what has remained to my mind so far, I see how different the conceptions are and how values and morals have changed. .

My opinion is that a serious collector attached to historical research should avoid to post something like this without any reflections.
This may lead into the conclusion that the posting forum members are agreeing to such statements. Which is certainty not the case !?

Especially when its read in the context of the following posts, for example:

Lastly, there was the ban on the annual commemoration ceremony of the celebrations held each November with the consequent reactions of the parties and the usual squalid teatrino that we witness in Italy during the commemoration of certain fallen.

A bit more information would put this into a more balanced light:
The memorial was under discussion as it was more and more miss-used by extreme right wing parties to "celebrate" their distorted ideas instead of using it as a memorial for the fallen. This discussion started not only in recent "political correct" years but already in the late 70ties.
The memorial was not longer a place for commemoration of the fallen but an instrument of the extremists to promote their ideas at the cost of the poor dead soldiers. This was the reason of the ban.

As long as our Ritt.ner, in collaboration with life's daring, finally reconstructed the monument in a private land

Yes, on the land of a right wing scumbag and member of the NPD who has a minimum of 12 sentences for denying the holocaust, criminal assault, coercion, breach of the peace. Proven connections to the NSU murderer. And the list goes on.

Bravo, the right person to host a memorial for those we as collectors trying hard to save the history of.
What a shame towards those who are lying in their graves without any possibility to fight back this abuse of their names and duties for which they have given their lives.


Overall my believe is that postings like this are one of the reasons why our hobby is scrutinized. Write-up of "facts" without any critical review, without looking behind the story..

And:
I am not sure that you are doing any good to Mr. Ritter.
Maybe he saw the miss-use...maybe not.
How do you know he would have agreed on your expressed political opinions ? He can not comment any more as he passed away and you have put him just in the long line of those who lived in the past.

IMHO, much better would have been to stick to his military career and the uniform piece itself.


Regards

Christian

[viva_giulio]

Your reply is almost stupid but....

Him memories are pubblished now in two separates pubblishing.
I do not add nothing but translated.
He remember the fact of shooting a 175 with emotion till the end of life. He wasn't happy to remember it.

About monuments words are mine, but monument was destroyed. This is a fact. Memory of fallen is the memory of fallen. Dot.

Monument for soldier fallen was erected by him and Fromm.This is the fact, and part of him story.
You can buy the dvd where he explained this.
You can find on imternet.
Interviews are in dzm pubblishing and also in the small book available on internet.

Leave politics from topic. Thank you.

[viva_giulio]

Stay on topic anyway

[viva_giulio]

References.

As I told I reported only what was available on the market or with researches.
I keep for me privates videos photos stories documents.

[compressore]

Stay on topic anyway

Hello Mauro
This does not match the translation you have made in your post. You have not got the subtle German language which is not easy to catch I must admit.

I respect your work on this soldier history. Which is for sure inetresting in the connection of fhe nice smock.
What I say is that a bit more reflection on this would have been good instead of just taking over what was written somewhere before.

Best regards
Chtistian

[viva_giulio]

That is ok Christian. I do not remember if I translate this from book or from dzm interview cause also here there is mentioned.
Imo an historian do not add nothing, personal view, politics view etc history is history and must read with the period eyes.

Russians fired to their troops when retiring also if sent as meal to death without any reasonable battle plain.
When we have an allied bomber crew we do not think about civilian criminals bombing.
Here we love military history.

I added very few notice not available in Him pubblicati in, i hope we can see the extremely long interview on TV if family release permission. Trust me: is extremely interesting cause he saw every day, every time Witt, Meyer and so on.
The history of commando to back free Meyer is cool, the emotions to give dispatch to Wittman and other heroes tell us how Germans looked war heroes in wartime

[jotuntroll]

Very good Mauro, really enjoyed this one