SS Generals Baton Question

[ACD]

No its not this photo that you showed , the photo that I mentioned shows Himmler inspecting SS troops in feb 1944 -somewere in the eastern occupied countries.

And this one??

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/6d/76/27/6...ort-of-abs.jpg

But it's not a baton! It's only some wooden paddle and onkel Heinie is on a "inspection" of any pond..
"Himmler's wooden baton" LOL

Mystery solved?:-)

[Rick C]

This whole thread has gone sideways because Mr. mo-do is mistaking a whiteboard drawing that was in the background of a photo relating to belt buckles (“I know that an original exists in a museum in Russia and has been photographed in early 1980”) as a real baton.

Everything he’s alleging is based on nothing but a drawing/illustration of something that no SS officer reached the rank to have issued. In his latest remarks he asks us to ponder “how many ss gruppenfuhrers were captured and kept in Russia till mid 1950 ies-didnt they have any personal items on them?” reality? How Sir, do captured Gruppenfuhrers have ANY correlation to a discussion on the existence or even speculative creation of a baton that would have been bestowed to a yet established rank of SS Field Marshal?

Rather than telling others to do some research or visit archives Mr. mo-do, why don’t you put the doobie back in the ashtray, gather your thoughts and give us something definitive and please, let your evidence of “original” SS Batons not be the words of Wotan who spoke to you during a thunderstorm you spent under a tree.

Merry Christmas all...

[mo-do]

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This whole thread has gone sideways because Mr. mo-do is mistaking a whiteboard drawing that was in the background of a photo relating to belt buckles (“I know that an original exists in a museum in Russia and has been photographed in early 1980”) as a real baton.

Everything he’s alleging is based on nothing but a drawing/illustration of something that no SS officer reached the rank to have issued. In his latest remarks he asks us to ponder “how many ss gruppenfuhrers were captured and kept in Russia till mid 1950 ies-didnt they have any personal items on them?” reality? How Sir, do captured Gruppenfuhrers have ANY correlation to a discussion on the existence or even speculative creation of a baton that would have been bestowed to a yet established rank of SS Field Marshal?

Rather than telling others to do some research or visit archives Mr. mo-do, why don’t you put the doobie back in the ashtray, gather your thoughts and give us something definitive and please, let your evidence of “original” SS Batons not be the words of Wotan who spoke to you during a thunderstorm you spent under a tree.

Merry Christmas all...

"Give us something definite" you must find it yourself- it exists.

[wolfslair44]

"Give us something definite" you must find it yourself- it exists.

Are you for real? Find it yourself? YOU are the only one saying it exists. Why would anyone else 'go and find it'. Perhaps, the photo shows him at the North Pole with Santa and the elves. If I just close my eyes and believe it exists, it will appear. Ugh.

Can a mod please close this thread? It's beyond ridiculous at this point.

[jimt]

really ?

Are you for real? Find it yourself? YOU are the only one saying it exists. Why would anyone else 'go and find it'. Perhaps, the photo shows him at the North Pole with Santa and the elves. If I just close my eyes and believe it exists, it will appear. Ugh.

Can a mod please close this thread? It's beyond ridiculous at this point.

Thats the best advice in 4 pages of this thread ! someone should moderate the content of some of these Forum topics , this one has my vote for just plain ridiculous . Merry Christmas

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

Its all based on faith and or trust-if you already have one photo, and the spoken info that such a baton has been seen in ww2 archived photos. ?

Definition of faith :
firm belief in something for which there is no proof

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith

We are supposed to be on a messageboard dealing with historical artefacts, not a conspirationist/UFO/reptilian/KKK/new age one.

Why not do some research of your own and pay the archive fees and or visit few countries to go through ww2 libraries of documents ?

Why ? Because many specialists already did it, including Max Williams who is a specialist of Himmler and never found your fantasy picture taken from your mind.
You can check his excellent book for around 35 euros, shipping included :

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Heinrich-Hi.../dp/1781554056

We can close this topic now, enough is enough.

See You

Vince

[Stive]

I don't think the photo is real and comes really from some Soviet museum. There are many nonsenses and very suspicious illogical inconsistencies in the picture. In my opinion, it's a totally arranged fake photo.

https://imgur.com/a/sTsXc

Thanks, I at first haven't paid attention to inscriptions on boxes. Inscriptions on boxes in translation into Russian is a nonsense The photo with counterfeit inscriptions.

[DonC]

The most amazing thing about this thread is that it has gone on for four pages over the militaria equivalent of a unicorn...

[Stive]

It is very heavy to find in the dark room a black cat, especially if she isn't there

[mo-do]

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do you consider yourself an intelligent person?

[mo-do]

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Thanks, I at first haven't paid attention to inscriptions on boxes. Inscriptions on boxes in translation into Russian is a nonsense The photo with counterfeit inscriptions.

I know russian too, its not a nonsense- the inscriptions say: "property of the soviet republics", and also it says "from museum ".

[mo-do]

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Other high ranking ss members besides Himmler who could have owned such item:
Hohster/Hohere SS und Polizei Fuhrer

HöSSPF

Karl Wolff – "Italien"
Hans-Adolf Prützmann – "Ukraine"

HSSPF

Hermann Behrends – Serbia and Montenegro
Udo von Woyrsch – "Elbe"
Carl Oberg – France
Ernst Kaltenbrunner – Donau
Karl Hermann Frank – Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia
Friedrich Jeckeln – Northern Russia
Richard Hildebrandt – Black Sea
Erwin Rösener – Alpenland
Odilo "Globus" Globocnik – Adriatic Coast
Hanns Albin Rauter – Netherlands
Erich von dem Bach – Central Russia
Wilhelm Rediess – Norway
Günther Pancke – Denmark
Jürgen Stroop, then Walter Schimana, then Hermann Franz – Greece
Friedrich Wilhelm Krüger, then Wilhelm Koppe – General Government (Poland)
Karl von Eberstein – Munich area of Germany
Franz Walter Stahlecker – Reichskommissariat Ostland (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus)

[Rick C]

Yo ~ Spaceshot ~ Point to one of these guys who held the rank of Field Marshal... Anybody...

Merry Christmas.

[TheGoodWitch]

Other high ranking ss members besides Himmler who could have owned such item:
Hohster/Hohere SS und Polizei Fuhrer

HöSSPF

Karl Wolff – "Italien"
Hans-Adolf Prützmann – "Ukraine"

HSSPF

Hermann Behrends – Serbia and Montenegro
Udo von Woyrsch – "Elbe"
Carl Oberg – France
Ernst Kaltenbrunner – Donau
Karl Hermann Frank – Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia
Friedrich Jeckeln – Northern Russia
Richard Hildebrandt – Black Sea
Erwin Rösener – Alpenland
Odilo "Globus" Globocnik – Adriatic Coast
Hanns Albin Rauter – Netherlands
Erich von dem Bach – Central Russia
Wilhelm Rediess – Norway
Günther Pancke – Denmark
Jürgen Stroop, then Walter Schimana, then Hermann Franz – Greece
Friedrich Wilhelm Krüger, then Wilhelm Koppe – General Government (Poland)
Karl von Eberstein – Munich area of Germany
Franz Walter Stahlecker – Reichskommissariat Ostland (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus)

This info is Straight from wikipedia. Is that where you get your info?
This is not a military rank. Sometimes one remembers thing differently than they really are. Lets see the picture. Fact is it doesnt exist. It would most certainly have been photographed or reported in numerous places. The third reich loved to publicize decorations and medals.

[mo-do]

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This info is Straight from wikipedia. Is that where you get your info?
This is not a military rank. Sometimes one remembers thing differently than they really are. Lets see the picture. Fact is it doesnt exist. It would most certainly have been photographed or reported in numerous places. The third reich loved to publicize decorations and medals.

Not necessarily, these high ranking ss and polizei fuhrers had the opportunity and money to have expensive goodies made in jewelers shops in the occupied countries besides the W-SS gruppenfuhrers and Himmler himself, were they were residing and at much lower prices than in germany. Certain items could be one of a kind only, not RZM or WaA proofed. Why is the LAH finial different from other ones, but the standard from it hasnt been found? Do you believe in this story that the standard existed or not really and rather you'd say that the lah carried a bare finial only because it hasnt been found after the war? Same thing here if someone tells you that such photo exists somewere in the archives there is no reason for this person to lie, just do your own research. I dont work for charity were I would have to go back into several years of research to provide you only with a photo which for which you would not be willing to pay, just to satisfy your curiosity.
Besides you have a photo showing it in Soviet museum displayed in a wooden case next to a box of buckles. Were the buckles taken all out of the boxes for photos? NO they werent, because it was not the idea of photographying everything there. The photos there were just for general idea of the fact that its author was there.