Collar tab...

[ZAM]

Hello fellow collectors

Got this today, is this a SS-collar tab? And is it original? Size is 5,5x4 cm

Thanks and best regards from Germany
Dirk

[ZAM]

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[Stossgruppe3]

This is a fake plain tab that quite honestly could be anything
Its definitely not for me . . .
Regards David

[ZAM]

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[ZAM]

Sure, it could be anything, that`s why i posted it here, it`s not my field of collecting...
I got on a german fleamarket for one Euro, so i ask if it could be SS! I don`t think that it is a fake, got it out of box with non-militaria stuff!

[C. Betz]

Insignia

Buckram indicates it's a modern reproduction, SS or not. It is not original.

Charles Betz

[Felix]

I agree with above, not an original...
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Felix

[ZAM]

Could you please explain why it is fake, and what`s wrong with the buckram???

Thanks and regards

Dirk

[Stossgruppe3]

Buckram indicates it's a modern reproduction, SS or not. It is not original.
Charles Betz

Thank you Charles . . . .
Regards David

[ZAM]

So it is a fake, even it is SS or something else, but no one can explain WHY it is fake... Great!

[Stossgruppe3]

So it is a fake, even it SS or something else, but no one can explain WHY it is fake... Great!

Buckram indicates it's a modern reproduction, SS or not. It is not original.

Charles Betz

Can you not read . . . ?
I getting constantly fed up with people like you who constantly ask for opinions when myself and my colleagues had nothing else to work with except for books and photocopy bits of paper. We spent countless hours and nights counting stitches and comparing like for like and all we get is sarcastic comments from people like you when you have everything you need at your finger tips. I don't mind helping people who show a little respect for others who know.
Regards David

[C. Betz]

"why it is fake"

First heads up is the overall shape of the tab. Second is the buckram material. I suggest you take advantage of the Search function. Key in SS Collar Tabs and prepare to do a lot of study. A lot of study.

Charles Betz

[ZAM]

I collect Militaria since nearly 30 years now, mainly Equipment, Rations and that stuff, but i also have Uniforms, shoulder boards, collar tabs! I also spent hours, days, month and years studing my collectors items!!! If anyone in the Equipment section have a question that i can answer i am able to write WHY someting is fake, postwar etc...
So, whats the Problem to write why this buckram is fake? I have a lot of Heer and Luftwaffe collar tabs in my collection, there are all kinds, from very finespun to rough like a rationsbag, from nearly white to dark brown!
So if you say it is a fake, why can`t you explain what`s wrong with it? In every other section of the WAF it is possible to get such an answere... or is the SS Section something special! Oh yes, i remember, some years ago i critsized an SS helmet, and got a lot of evil replies... :-) ( And then some years later the Champagner Rune Decal bubble poped...)
I really don`t know what your Problem is, i asked a simple question, still can`t understand why you can`t explain why this buckram isn`t original! Or is it such difficult to explain???

[C. Betz]

Answers

I have given you a tool. Make the most of it. Or, just don't collect if you're not willing to study these particular artifacts.

What it boils down to is that it's your money to waste if you don't want to apply yourself in this field of collecting.

Charles Betz

[90th Light]

So if you say it is a fake, why can`t you explain what`s wrong with it? In every other section of the WAF it is possible to get such an answere... or is the SS Section something special! Oh yes, i remember, some years ago i critsized an SS helmet, and got a lot of evil replies... :-) ( And then some years later the Champagner Rune Decal bubble poped...)
I really don`t know what your Problem is, i asked a simple question, still can`t understand why you can`t explain why this buckram isn`t original! Or is it such difficult to explain???

Wow you were too, you were the member who first cracked the "Champagne Rune" fakes. Here is what Doug B said on his thread about them;

Yes as I said in my thread, ZAM was on the right track in 2012 and it was this thread that gave me some pause for thought on these. Thank you ZAM.

You sir are to be thanked and certainly deserve respect for being brave enough to speak out, plus not afraid to question the experts at the time. Especially given the flak/ crap/ abuse you had to then take over those SS helmets when you were right all along.

Best regards,

Chris

p.s. I too am puzzled by the reaction of some esteemed members on this thread. "Buckram" s not the easiest thing to research on WAF and there are no pinned threads specifically covering it. I am sure that several members would find it an interesting discussion if more was revealed here, me included and I have collected SS collar tabs for some years now.